Letitia James to Begin Claiming Donald Trump's Properties

“But the Trumpian part is that even though, or perhaps because, it may be part of a Trump scam, Knight now too may be on the hook for $175 million as it won’t automatically get out from underneath its own proffered surety.”

Hankey, a billionaire, has already said that his company will be able to post the money for Trump.

He was reacting to a comment on X by lawyer Dave Kingman, who wrote that Knight will not be able to post the $175 million.

“Understand that Knight Specialty has a problem. This bond cannot be approved. Under the CPLR [Civil Practice Laws and Rules] the surety will remain obligated under the bond until a replacement bond is filed. Trump is unlikely to get a replacement bond. Knight Spec will be liable AND Trump won’t have a stay [on enforcement],” he wrote.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

FTA:

“Thus NY AG James looks to be soon greenlit to execute on her $450 million judgment against Trump as if Trump posted no bond.”

That was my #1 question in all of this, assuming a bond failure, does she get to go after $175 million in assets or $450 million?

Now we know…

SuckMyWang,

Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?

Sabata11792,
Sabata11792 avatar

He still has enough money to not have laws apply.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

To actually give an answer, it's because the Constitution very deliberately does not allow criminal convictions to disqualify someone. This was done because it was, and in plenty of places still is, common practice for a government to simply make up charges and arrest any opposition, thus disqualifying them from running.

You always have to look at this kind of stuff from the other side. Would you really want a Trump to be able to disqualify an opposing candidate for running a red light once twenty years ago?

xmunk,

I think it’s good that Trump can technically run - but it’s fucking embarrassing that he’s managed to retain so much support.

Tyfud,

Correct, but I think it’s important to add that this is showing that the other systems of checks and balances that were supposed to be in place for frivolous crimes drummed up in the scenarios you’re mentioning, are supposed to stop someone like trump from running.

Specifically the RNC and the Electoral college. Both of which have miserably failed in their jobs to prevent a dictator from taking power in the united states. As did our legislative side, fail to convict him on 2 airtight impeachment cases.

This is because the smaller half of our government (republicans), have completely sold out to trump, and there’s no turning back from them. They’re going to ride this ship into the ground.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

You're correct, but the fundamental blame for that does lie with the voters, at the end of the day. No amount of structural protections can protect democracy from voters that do not care about it. At that point, they're just ink on a page.

Tyfud,

Agreed.

Which is why voting is so incredibly difficult to do for the people who are the most exploited and marginalized in this country.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Because we elected a black dude and holy shit did that break the right.

DharkStare,

Obama really did open the floodgates on all the racists. I guess I was really naive, but I had no idea there were so many racist everywhere.

CosmicTurtle,

My favorite is when racists say “We’ve had a black president so we can’t be a nation of racists.”

Like…somehow having a black president now makes it okay for all of the shit conservatives want to do.

Ghyste,

“Thanks Obama”

lobut,

They did it on CNN. I remember some Republican prick saying, “you know why we’re not racist? Obama.”

It just so happened that the racists got outvoted. Their party really seized upon being racists though.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, so did that repub vote for Obama, then? I realize that was on tv, but when I hear that IRL, I’ll ask if they voted for Obama. If they did, could they explain why the hell we had the birtherism shit? And why donnie, who is king of the birthers, is the choice of the cons and how did he get into office?

MrVilliam,

As a white guy with a beard in a blue collar industry, I’m shocked at what strangers will just assume I’m cool with hearing out of their mouths. They truly have no shame anymore. It’s fucking wild.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Add tattoos. Yea. People are awful. “I like Alex Jones”. I have never wanted to punch a coworker so much in my life.

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The way I respond is always ‘neutral’ but calling them what they are. So for Alex Jones I might say ‘oh the dude who lied about dead kids?’ the key is to sound neutral and then just disengage if they try to start a conversation about it. ‘yea I don’t care dude’.

‘tate? The rapist and woman beater? OK.’ just disengage on that topic. Make it see like you’re stating a fact, because you are and there’s no room for them to argue or engage.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

For real. It’s like they completely don’t get that it sounds so bad when you just stick to the facts.

nilloc,

Yeah: “Isn’t he the guy who [insert atrocious fact or quote from whichever asshole here]” either gets them confused, usually resulting in a “but Hunter’s laptop” response, no matter the topic. Or they quiet down and move on in my experience.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I usually do the same thing in relation to donnie with magats that start up and don’t know me - I don’t engage on any of their latest insider ragebait too-online/too much Faux Cinematic Universe, and usually feign general uninterest in politics, but ask questions like - “Isn’t Trump the guy that was convicted of rape?”

If I really want to go there and there are not children around, I’ll ask if Trump isn’t the guy that wants to fuck his own daughter? I do the same “many people are saying” tactic that donnie himself does and it usually shuts them right the hell up because if they want to start up with nonsense about Biden, I’ll just feign ignorance about any of their latest poutrage porn that they consume all day and ask why they don’t know that donnie wants to bang his own daughter.

For the magats that are terminally online/in their own little magat bubble, someone saying this in such stark terms really tends to shock them for a few minutes. They might be used to trying to debate “nice” liberals/leftists on their terms, or with their framing, or hoping they can flip it into a conversation about something else…

Zipitydew,

My colleagues and I are all mechanical or industrial engineers. We travel around the country to project sites. I’ll be on a job site and hear all the trades guys saying the most vile shit. And be completely shocked I tell them to knock it off or I’ll tell the general contractor to get someone else out.

The part that pisses me off the most though is how often they’re union members.

jkrtn,

The US failed to hang traitors in the 1860s and now here we are.

Buddahriffic,

And again with the business plot.

Daft_ish,

This all goes back to those neighborhood apps where everyone was openly racist. All around the time of BLM. Download anyone of them today to find out how racist your neighbors are.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Which ones?

Daft_ish,

vice.com/…/nextdoor-knows-its-users-are-racist

Eldritch,

We never had a reckoning for slavery, for segregation, redlining, employment discrimination. Or any of the thousands of other racist touchstones of our country. In fact, far too many Americans still blame the victims and their descendants for the struggles they still experience. Too many Americans blame their own struggles on the victims as well. Obama opened no floodgates. These people were always wildly racist. They’d just not had such an opportunity to so vocally and visually demonstrate it.

My ignorance of just how much it permeated my childhood and young adult years was terrifying. Even colloquial phrases and sayings picked up in my youth were coded with racism. And with how little we promote understanding and learning. It’s easy to see how so many getting called out for it rather than stopping to learn. Just push back and double down self-righteously. America is a wildly racist country, and always has been.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

It’s to the point where some of them are now trying to find ways to make it worse to call someone racist than being a racist.

someguy3,

This is what I come back to. The right’s crazy was in check somewhat beforehand, but when Obama won it went off the cliff.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Remember when Bush was, what we thought, the lowest we could go? Dude is loveable by current standards.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I shudder to think what the repug party will manifest after donnie. It should be obvious that donnie did not make the repug party any different; they were always bad and on a trajectory of getting worse. People like Newt and Rush accelerated that for sure, along with platforms like hatriot radio and Faux “News”.

I doubt they’ll course correct after mainlining someone like donnie for years, they will be chasing that dragon ever after and will never settle for methadone like ronnie raygun or Bush Sr/Jr or Romney or McCain…I imagine at some point donnie himself will be declared “woke” or a “RINO”, especially when I see him claiming he won’t vote for a federal ban on abortion.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I just think they have a better megaphone now, and the liberal (lol) Big Tech seemingly has algorithms that prioritize engagement - and the crazy shit tends to get people angry and therefore, more engaged in, let’s be honest, rehashes of John Birch Society and Protocols of the Elders of Zion levels of horse manure. Let’s face it - there is very little new that’s under the sun, it just gets new packaging.

They were crazy over the Clintons in the 90s. Hatriot radio didn’t have algorithms though, and neither did USENET/BBSes or the very early web. Going further back, they didn’t have Faux news or even BBSes; they had to stand out on a corner and try to hand out bullshit like Jack Chick tracts or Bircher literature. It’d be nice if they had to revert back to that level of spreading their nonsense.

someguy3,

Some went crazy before, but then the crazy took over when Obama won.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I definitely think they were able to be a lot more bold in their dogwhistles. I’d be interested in seeing surveys that had questions that serve as ways to suss out how it waxed and waned over the years…my guess is that their numbers may have actually gone down over the years, but they are more visible/have more influence in relation to their numbers.

ZagamTheVile,

Yeah but come on. He wore a tan suit once. What did you expect? It’s like we were asking for this.

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget the terrorist fist jab.

Zerlyna,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

So did Reagan and both Bush’s but “that’s okay”. /s

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

And the feet on the desk! And the latte salute!

Also, also, also! The looooooong form biiiiiirth sertifikate! We never saw it! He is the Kenyan usurper! And The Storm is still coming for Hillary and Obama and Hunter, by gawd.

mindbleach,

Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

I think that is indeed true - they got somehow even worse than they were before, but honestly, after Clinton, they would have done the same thing. They’d let a WAB like donnie the vain Manhattanite born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a 2-hour beauty regime get away with nearly anything, because they think he’s a bigly strong businessman and one of them, lol.

They were spreading all kinds of BS in the 90s about Clinton and thought he should have been executed - and that’s even before these weird freaks found out about the BJ. The fact that he “got away” with a BJ drove them up the wall.

bostonbananarama,

Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?

Because he was found guilty in a civil trial and not a criminal one. Think of OJ, convicted of civil wrongful death but not murder in a criminal court. Lose money, but don’t go to jail.

SuckMyWang,

Why is fraud against the state considered civil? It seems to be a crime for everyone else

bostonbananarama,

Not sure what answer you’re looking for, but because the attorney general brought a civil case. Perhaps they couldn’t prove criminal fraud, since criminal trials have a higher burden of proof. Perhaps they could satisfy certain elements of criminal fraud, but not all of them. Perhaps they could demonstrate that the actions (actus reus) took place but not the intent (mens rea) required. These would all be questions for the NY AG.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Weirdly, it wasn’t a criminal case, purely civil. The criminal side of the case was against the Trump organization and he had a fall guy for that:

www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/…/index.html

He served 3 months.

apnews.com/…/trump-weisselberg-jail-tax-evasion-6…

But they just hit him again:

apnews.com/…/trump-fraud-weisselberg-perjury-0101…

shalafi,

I understand the idea was that they can score easily on the civil suit and a criminal complaint is still possible.

NateNate60, (edited )

Edit: This article is garbage. Letitia James hasn’t announced shit, this is reporting what some guys on Twitter are talking about. I wouldn’t hold my breath until a better source reports about it.

The State of New York gets to collect on the entire judgement. That is the amount that the trial court found him liable for and that’s the amount he must pay.

The bond amount being lowered only means that he needs to post that amount as a guarantee against the judgement in order to stop execution before he appeals. If he loses his appeal, he still needs to pay the full amount of the judgement. Since the bond was no good, it is the same as if he didn’t post anything.

Thorry84,

Yup it’s all speculation and discussion of what people are saying. Like the Trumpism “Many people are saying”.

Tried to comment on that but just get downvoted because people see the (wrong) headline and think it’s the truth.

SFX,

Newsweek articles are often garbage.

RattlerSix,

This should be the top comment. I’m so goddamn tired of articles based on tweets

AFKBRBChocolate,

I often go to threads about Newsweek articles to see the discussion, but I never click the articles anymore. They’re a total rag, and seem to have figured out that people on both sides will click an article saying Trump is going to get something that’s coming to him.

tabularasa,

"News"week is a fucking trainwreck these days. Pointless to look at them any more.

cabron_offsets,

Fuck this russian asset traitor POS.

reverendsteveii,

yet another post where the title says “Trump To Actually Be Held Responsible For Crimes Committed On Live TV” and the article is just people who ahve nothing to do with either Trump or the law guessing that someone could possibly do something with no idea as to whether anyone will actually do anything. It’s raw speculation and it degrades the platform, but anything that says “Trump Good” or “Trump Bad” will of course get a million upvotes.

Feels like I’m back on fucking Reddit.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t blame the community, I blame the media. The media needs to generate views to sell eyeballs. They need to keep you clicking and watching by saying that the resolution is just around the corner. If they waited to report on things that actually happened nobody would care.

DougHolland,
@DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

Welcome to the new Newsweek. It’s shit so consistently, I no longer click.

theyoyomaster,

To be honest, I find myself reading them more. Their goals are to drive clicks more than political ideals. It’s garbage, but consistent garbage with minimal bias compared to most other options. At least you know where they stand…

Lon3star,

That article was quite the incoherent circlejerk

aesthelete,

Feels like I’m back on fucking Reddit.

DISCLAIMER: This is a complete tangent from comments on the original post, but the original post is likely garbage anyway so I’ll just go with it.

I don’t know why people think that creating a copy-cat version of Reddit with “federation” will do much of anything to solve the problems with online “communities”.

The problem with Reddit may have been partially the for-profit corporate part, or the admins, etc but it was definitely not exclusively those things.

Every single online “community” that has popped up since Web 2.0 has versions of the exact same problems. Maybe they’re difficult to solve inherently, but I am not sure because it seems like everyone just creates the same site structure and I think at least some of it has to do with the structure.

Is there anyone trying to not make the next Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or Reddit? Someone that’s trying to actually make something different? Like something useful or with a fundamentally better moderation model? Because if so maybe I should waste my time on that instead of these copycat platforms.

It’s not just “they’re bots” or “they’re Russians” either…because Nextdoor has a pretty stringent verification policy, is based around localities, and it’s still essentially Facebook for NIMBYs.

blazera,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

this headline is just false.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Screw Trump but this whole article is nothing more than conjecture from two dudes on twitter. When the hell did stuff like this become news?

AstridWipenaugh,

FR when the first source is a post on Twitter, get fucked.

Corkyskog,

When we stopped funding news

DrDeadCrash,

You mean with quarters, at the newspaper stand?

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Seizing properties? Yeah, right. I’ll believe it once it’s already happened.

Hello_there,

Wtf is that user submitted fairness meter at the bottom? Since when do we rely on trolls to provide any reliable metrics about quality of writing?

PoliticalAgitator,

Since it was deemed profitable to do so. Every vote is an ad impression and trying to manipulate or correct the value just means even more ad impressions.

Garbanzo,

Look at the site on mobile with no filters and it’s immediately obvious that they are in the enshitification business, not news.

aseriesoftubes,

Just say that every article has a far-right bias so that they eventually over-correct in the other direction.

Viking_Hippie,

Not to mention the going along with the “centrist equals fair” bullshit that media outlet owners and other rich people love to perpetuate🤦

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

I love this for both of them.

Everything Trump touches, dies.

Gork,

Surely Hankey isn’t offering up $175 million on Trump’s behalf out of the goodness of his own heart. This is surely an investment where he can gain privileged access to the Trump administration if he gets into office again, maybe get some lucrative government contracts out of it.

givesomefucks,

Shit, he offered to put in 475, but while on the call to set it up, trumps lawyers found out they got it lowered to 175, and told Hankey he was no longer needed.

Then had to go back for the 175 because no one legit would even know that.

It’s very possible trumps lawyers knew a bond wouldn’t work, but knew by the time that was found out, Hankey was on the hook.

It’s a lot easier for trump to avoid paying Hankey than the government.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Trump posted a $175 million bond on April 1 in order to prevent the seizure

April Fools!

Son_of_dad,

He should have gone to his buddy Vince McMahon who for some reason keeps selling stock and now has like a billion dollars in cash. I’m sure it’s Vince’s “fly to a non extradition country” fund when the heat gets too much, but he can lend Trump half

Beetschnapps,

You mean Don Jr.’s father? I heard his money is tied up in court. I mean, women have been accusing him of rape for decades now… just like Don Sr.!

Son_of_dad,

No wonder Trump and McMahon are friends, they’re both dirt bag rapists

mozz,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Looks like there is a real possibility that

The headline would have been a lot more honest if it had included that part

Pretzilla,

IIRC the judge is giving shithead another 10 days to re-secure the $175M bond so James is no doubt warming up the seizure engines

Viking_Hippie,

How many times has he gotten an extra 10 days for no valid reason now, is it 2 or 3?

Thorry84,

So this article speculating a lot and discussing a couple of people who were speculating and discussing on Xitter? Wow this is worthless…

givesomefucks,
  1. She was going to seize propert if no bond.
  2. This bond came in at the last second.
  3. A bunch of issues were found with the bond.
  4. A court ruled it’s not valid.
  5. For some reason that means they have to pay the bond in cash, and trump has to cover the rest of the original?
mephiska,

A court ruled it's not valid.

Has this happened yet? all I've seen so far is the court asked the insurance co for more information, but no outright ruling on the validity.

givesomefucks,

A New York court has rejected Knight Specialty’s paperwork and said it wanted to see more information on its financial backing. The company filed new paperwork on April 4.

It’s my understanding that new paperwork didn’t help anything.

Like, one of the issues was they weren’t even licensed in NY, I don’t know how paperwork could retroactively make it legal.

But while they can’t promise to pay it under bond, they did sign something saying they were good for 175 million. And they don’t have it.

So trump failed to post bond, and now they can seize property.

I think

Shits confusing and trump just says anything to delay this stuff. But I think if Knight doesn’t cut a check for cash, they seize property up to what they couldn’t out of the 175 million. Or maybe somehow the whole amount because he couldn’t get the bond.

mephiska,

What's confusing is these articles are written to sound like these things have happened when really it's just a quote from some rando who says these things are likely to happen. The court itself has not ruled on or rejected the paperwork yet. If you can find an article after 4/4/24 that says otherwise I'd love to see it.

Thorry84,

I hate Trump and I hope he gets all that’s coming to him, but I don’t think this is accurate.

In order for Trump to delay payment of the fines he was court ordered to pay he needs to appeal the courts decision. Under the local law that means he doesn’t have to pay till the new case is received or rejected and when received is done, but he does have to post a bond to make sure he doesn’t just appeal to get a delay and to ensure at least some of the fines are paid. At first the bond was set to the entire amount, this was challenged by Trump and adjusted to be only a part by the court.

Then Trump attempted to post the bond from Knight, but there was a technical issue with the posting. Some documents were missing including a financial statement. This has lead to speculation it may be that these documents show the bond won’t hold up and thus would get rejected. It may however just be an error and get corrected right away. There is the opportunity to repost it and correct the errors, so we will see what happens.

The article goes on into discussion and speculation by a couple of lawyers on Xitter that if the bond doesn’t hold up, Trump would have to pay the full amount. And this would probably mean some of his property would get seized. However none of this has happened yet and is thus total speculation. The lawyers also go into a lot of speculation about the bond and the insurer.

Let’s just wait and see what the court says. Instead of this grabbing popcorn and yelling grab his shit before we’re good and well ready. I’ve heard Trump getting what’s coming to him so many times now and it never seems to happen, so I don’t want to get my hopes up.

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