@atomicpoet
I have made a test account on #Calckey and it is pretty fun and interesting. I do with @ivory would let me use it along with my #Mastodon instance without crashing. Maybe someday soon!
@atomicpoet The "how much of the day you've wasted on here" counter is a bold move that I wasn't expecting. Additionally the year percentage must be wrong since there's no way it's.. oh geezus it's May already.
Now I can't show you this exactly because that's private 😉
However, what's important to know is that this is distinct from Mastodon DMs, it's isolated from the main feed, and there's no mistaking chats for status updates.
Yet another killer aspect of #Calckey is the Explore section. This is for content discovery -- finding people ("Users") to follow and posts that are gaining traction ("Featured").
Let's focused on the Users aspect of Explore. It helps you find users according to:
Pinned (a.k.a., recommended)
Popular
Recently Active
Newly Joined Users
There's all sorts of people to follow through the Explore section of Calckey
@atomicpoet I’ve wanted to try it for a while, but installation seems really hard. The install scriptsa aren’t as easy to ise the readmes might have you believe. Are there any detailed resources on how to get an instance up and running as well as some ballpark numbers on what resources you would need depending on user count?
To be bluntly honest, Fediverse search needs a lot of work. I don't think one server software nails it yet.
However, unlike Mastodon, Calckey allows you to search across the Fediverse without need of hashtags (or for you to have interacted with the post previously).
This makes search a lot more extensible than on Mastodon.
@atomicpoet In theory, if I prefer it, could I swap out my personal mastodon instance for calckey on the same domain? Given the glue of federation is APub would the only issue be losing my history or would followers have issues at the change of underlying platform? 🤔
@aj@atomicpoet just because they use the same protocol doesn't mean they're the same software. There's currently no way to convert a mastodon database to a calckey one given they have entirely different structures, but what you can do is set up calckey on a new subdomain, and migrate your account from mastodon to calckey and import your post history.
@atomicpoet I would love to hear what Antennas and Clips are. I made a calckey.social account a week or so ago and was surprised to see stuff that didn't tell you what it does. Felt a bit like logging into the AWS dashboard and seeing stuff like "Route 53" instead of "DNS."
@atomicpoet@nyquildotorg Any experienced writers who would like to volunteer for the Calckey documentation team, that project is about to get better organized. We could use you. Please DM Chris or me.
You forgot one important feature, which is that you can also use Calckey in columns similar to Tweetdeck. All columns are freely configurable and so you have a very good overview of important content.
@shoq@atomicpoet@nyquildotorg Indeed - I've been playing around on it a bunch more lately, and liking it a lot - the biggest complaint that I have now is that everything I've figured out how to do there has been trial/error
I'd offer to help w/ documentation, but for the facts that I 1) don't know what I'm doing, and 2) don't know how to write good
@Chris Trottier @Jer Warren #CalcKey is getting more and more similar to #Hubzilla, down to the documentation that leaves a lot to be desired. Seriously, Hubzilla has stuff mentioned in the user manual that has been removed years ago.
Only that Hubzilla has even more features, a much worse GUI (improvement is being worked on) and no working mobile app whatsoever because Nomad has been dead for so long that it doesn't even work with today's Hubzilla anymore.
@atomicpoet I love year/month/day progress widget in *key apps. Is does not seem useful at first in context of social networks but in fact it’s a great mindfulness tool and a wonderful aid for people with time blindness.
@benoegen In #Calckey (and also in #Misskey & #Foundkey)) there is the feature of "Antennas". This allows you to define (and combine) keywords to follow - more than just following hashtags. @atomicpoet
@atomicpoet@fediversenews excellent. May I just add a few things that were important for me ?
• Already has a nice tree view
• Mute has another great variant: Mute only the boosts !
• Instance cloud & in-post display of the software on the other end
~ Does not render bidi text correctly, yet 😔
@atomicpoet@fediversenews Thanks for this. Played with calckey the other day and enjoyed it but was a bit overwhelmed. This has given me a bit more info to digest
Your long thread about #Calckey is very worthwhile. Interesting to see the myriad of functions in Calckey.
Nvrthlss, I expect that Mastodon also comes with essential functions such as quotes, thread layout, chat.
However, I'll stay on Mastodon mainly because of people who are NOT yet on Fediverse.
When in my contact details they see @mastodon.world, they have an idea where they can find me. When they would see @calckey, I expect they have no clue what that means.
@atomicpoet@LabSpokane
I think this is where Calckey is winning because it has that "easy", "fun" appearance while allowing an incredible possibilities of what can be posted from complex codes to dynamic visualisations ...
@atomicpoet@LabSpokane there is no compelling reason, but you can use more features with Calckey, for example.
Everyone can find the Fediverse software that best suits their needs and tastes. To try it out first or for different application focuses, it can make sense to have several accounts with different software.
@LabSpokane You might want to look at the rest of the thread to see what #Calckey does. I talk about the many features that make it distinct from Mastodon.
@LabSpokane@atomicpoet This sounds very “Any colour you like, as long as it’s black”. With cars there’s a wide choice of different manufacturers, with different designs of vehicles that all share the same road. Some suit particular use cases, and others are better for different people. They all share the same roads.
The exact same thing with different ActivityPub servers and clients. You can pick the combination that works best for you, but we all share the same network.
@Kevin Davidson @LabSpokane @Chris Trottier It's the very same thing as people demanding the #Linux ecosystem be reduced to ONE distribution with no variants, ONE graphics toolkit, ONE display manager with ONE desktop environment. Because Linux is "too complicated" otherwise. Because it makes people choose where Windows and Mac users don't even have a choice.
But this would leave many dissatisfied because that unified Linux will not cater to their individual tastes. If it sucks, Linux sucks altogether.
Of course, in the #Fediverse case, the one unified project which the Fediverse must be reduced to is always #Mastodon. Preferably always with the same set of features. No other projects, not even forks.
First of all, this would mean that the Fediverse would lose a great deal of its features. Mastodon can't do podcasts; #Funkwhale and #Castopod can. Mastodon can't do blogs; #WriteFreely and #Plume can. Mastodon can't do YouTube; #PeerTube can. Not to mention the many things that #Hubzilla can do that Mastodon can't.
Now, someone could suggest to cram all features of all these projects into Mastodon. But not only is this very likely impossible without re-designing great deals of Mastodon which, for example, doesn't offer the multiple-channels-per-account model and doesn't even differentiate between posts and comments. It would also irritate those who stick with Mastodon because it's the most simple of all Fediverse projects.
And indeed, there are many who wish for Mastodon to be frozen on the feature level of late 2022 when they joined. They're even opposed to the introduction of text formatting or quotes to Mastodon, features which would thereby vanish from the Fediverse altogether if the Fediverse was reduced to late-2022 Mastodon.
Besides, you won't be able to get everyone to cooperate on Mastodon, much less on Mastodon staying at the level of late 2022. Literally every project leader who isn't Eugen Rochko will demand more features than Mastodon had half a year ago, actually, even more features than Mastodon has right now.
So you've got two possibilies.
One, Mastodon ends up an even heavier feature monster than Hubzilla because everyone can add to it what they deem necessary or useful.
Two, Eugen Rochko becomes the supreme ruler over the Fediverse, and only he decides which features the Fediverse is allowed to have. And he bases his decision on the wishes of those who want Mastodon to stay simple. Everyone else is reduced to a code monkey with no free will, including Mike Macgirvin, inventor of the #DFRN protocol, #Friendica (both 6 years before Mastodon), the #Zot protocol, #NomadicIdentity (both 5 years before Mastodon), Red Matrix/Hubzilla (4 years before Mastodon), Osada, Zap, Roadhouse, #Streams etc.
@LabSpokane This is the problem. Nobody can agree on what “good” means. Capping posts at 500 characters? No! Long posts. Styled text or plain text? Is four images in a post enough? Four options in a poll? Should the web interface indicate which platform other people are using, or hide that information from you? There’s no right answer, just preferences.
@LabSpokane@atomicpoet Well, it's kind of like an email program. Find one you like... That's the beauty of a (truly) protocol driven service. I never went running to the "latest and greatest" email client, and you don't have to feel like you have to, either... it's just a different interface to the same world.
@LabSpokane@ai6yr@atomicpoet You should see the shit they invented in the Industrial Revolution - we only really think of the successes, not the litany of obscure failures.
Relax, the world doesnt need every perfect solution to arrive the next day.
Lets be a little creative and then see what happens :)
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