TropicalDingdong

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TropicalDingdong,

Polling matters, a lot. But its not a monolith.

A few things we know right going into this election:

1: Polls have historically underestimated how well Trump does on election day. 2: Polls have historically overestimated how well candidates like Biden, and Clinton do on election day. 3: No incumbent president has ever kept the role with polling below 51% nationally (Bush, 2nd term was the lowest). 4: Both Biden and Trump enjoy approval ratings below any candidate that has won a second term (not polling but approval).

When you look at polling data, you should think “Tied is winning” for Trump. Not for his sycophants, not for MAGA, but for Trump specifically, he consistently gets more people, people who are otherwise “Not likely to vote”; a great deal of effort is placed into getting polls to be unbiased, but you can’t measure something that you don’t know about, which is fundamentally why Trump so consistently outperforms his polling. I think this also explains why progressive candidates consistently outperform their polling, but that’s beyond the scope rn.

I’m planning on digging into these for my mid-month polling update and wanted to give it a solid few weeks for the Trump trial news to saturate so we can see if there really is a significant effect. I’m also planning a ‘battleground’ state analysis for this update to start building a “road to 270” outlook.

The other thing that really matters here, is going to be the trends. There has been much ado about the latest batch of polls, but its not really clear to me that Biden has ‘ticked up’ in polling, so much as that Trump has “ticked down” post becoming a felon. To just put that into context neither Trump or Biden have been ‘improving’ in their polling since last summer, although Biden’s had dropped more precipitously than Trumps. We’ll see if Trumps ‘dump’ here is as real as the news cycle would have you believe, but keep in mind that no incumbent president has ever been competitive with an approval even remotely close to Biden’s.

My hope is by getting a little more granular into the battle ground states, the snr will be a bit better. I’m hopping to get the work done wednesday.

TropicalDingdong,

National polls are useless

yeah no. Almost all national polls are actually regional polls. So the sentiment belies a misunderstanding of how polls work.

TropicalDingdong,

I might actually consider buying a Tesla at that point. The SO and I nixed the car as an option purely because of that guy.

TropicalDingdong,

That’s just a spot on analysis.

There are no Republicans that will vote for Joe Biden.

There are voters who will vote Joe Biden if he moves to go get them.

This isn’t complicated.

TropicalDingdong,

The shit-lib echo chamber is that way -> 🚪

TropicalDingdong,
TropicalDingdong, (edited )

I think what you meant to say was, that demographics of typically non-voting, but potentially Democrat voters, were activated in 2020, to flip GA.

No Republicans flipped to make GA go blue. It was massive turn out from black and youth voters.

The idea that Republicans do ‘flip’ or will ever ‘flip’ is a damaging fiction.

cbc.ca/…/georgia-demographic-shift-vote-democrat-…

TropicalDingdong,

He’s just making it up. Republicans going to Biden didn’t flip GA. An activated youth and black vote flipped GA.

TropicalDingdong, (edited )

Damn they found 24 22 kilos?

TropicalDingdong, (edited )
TropicalDingdong,

Its has the potential to lose him the election.

TropicalDingdong, (edited )

They may have governed to the right, but that’s not what got them elected. Both of those candidates campaigned as progressives, or adopted highly progressive platforms.

You know. Campaigning. The part where you get elected?

And the two Democrats who campaigned to the center right, Hillary and Kerry, both lost their elections.

To be clear: We’re talking about campaigning right now, not governance.

TropicalDingdong,

No, they didn’t. Not at all. You are just re-writing history to fit your narrative.

Obama ran on holding wall street accountable (he didn’t) and on fixing healthcare/

Biden xeroxed Bernies entire platform. Like verbatim.

TropicalDingdong,

they’d be doing it

Who would be doing what? Biden took his platform far to the left in 2020 and it got him enough of Bernies collation to get him elected. Obama ran on healthcare and holding banks accountable.

And also…

A whole team of people who know far more than you are I,

No they fucking don’t. These are the same consultants that advised Hillary to prop up Trump in the primaries.

The fact is that if you are a Democrat running for President, at least giving lip service to progressive polices gets you elected. There is no requirement you govern that way once elected, but if you don’t at least entertain the Progressive vote as a Democrat, you don’t win the presidency.

TropicalDingdong,

just happen to remember it with a bit more clarity than you it seems

No, you don’t. You are just making shit up. GO look up their platforms.

TropicalDingdong,

Biden is a regressive chump

Biden has governerned as a regressive chump, but the DNC platform of 2020 was the most progressive platform for any major political party, pretty much since Roosevelt. Biden’s 2020 campaign was one of the most progressive in US history, from a policy perspective.

TropicalDingdong,

I mean it got him elected. I’m cynical enough that I want him to do it again. But he’s not going to get elected continuing to spit in the face of progressives.

TropicalDingdong,

He tanked the economy and killed over a million with his handling of COVID, the wall didn’t get built, Mexico didn’t pay for any of the repairs that did, Hillary has -34 felonies to her name, his trade war with China didn’t bring back manufacturing, Russia was emboldened by his term, American global superiority was damaged by his garbage foreign policy, fossil fuel usage is continuing to decline in favor of renewables…

I agree with all that. But you and I don’t live in the same world that Republican voters do. They litterally live in a completly different media and ‘story of history’ landscape. You obviously do, and should, despise all of the things that Trump did while he was president. But there is no denying that these were the things that Republican voters wanted him to do. And he gets to blame any failures on Democrats or the deep state or whatever other kookie bullshit they come up with.

You can and should hate the Republican agenda, but you shouldn’t put blinders on to suggest that Trump didn’t pursue it aggressively, and actually accomplish much of it. He got tax cuts for billionaires. He got the Supreme Court, and thus Roe. He at least tried to do almost all of the things he said he would do. You should disagree with all of those things, but you are not a Republican voter. Neither am I. But we should be clear headed about what Republican voters want, especially considering how horrible it all is.

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