publicvoit, to reddit
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

More and more previews stop working these days. Current example: my feed aggregator.

I want to emphasize that I've warned about that years ago:

Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Like Reddit, , and for most parts of my arguments even :
https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/

ademir_lemmy_br,
@ademir_lemmy_br@mastodon.social avatar

@publicvoit why not Lemmy?

publicvoit,
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

@ademir_lemmy_br Check out my article (or talk) and you will see that lemmy doesn't address all the issues I collected about web forums.

flancian, to random German
@flancian@social.coop avatar
grindhold, (edited ) to random
@grindhold@chaos.social avatar

not anymore, my friends from , not anymore . @midzer built thumbnails and WEBP-support for today. and i helped him integrate it. it's amazing to see how fast stuff is loading now :)

in backend news, we made the communication with SMTP-servers more resilient, so your outbound mails just take a beer from the fridge and chill if your mailserver isn't available for a few moments.

https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt

Yonggan,

@grindhold Then https://fedi.markets is bleeding edge too now :)

grindhold,
@grindhold@chaos.social avatar

@Yonggan lol your images are broken. please deploy again. i pushed a fix :D

vvvv, to genart
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publicvoit, to hamburg
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

I'm at #37C3 in #Hamburg these days. If you want to meet, drop me a line. #publicvoit #PIM

And please do join my talk on Thursday 7pm, Hall E:

Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in #WebForums Like #Reddit, #HN, #facebook, ...
Thursday, 28 December 2023 19:00 CET (Europe/Berlin), Saal E

https://events.ccc.de/congress/2023/hub/event/dont-contribute-anything-relevant-in-web-forums-li/

publicvoit, to reddit
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar
haskman, to haskell
@haskman@functional.cafe avatar

I always enjoy seeing on ! https://postgrest.org/en/stable/how-tos/providing-html-content-using-htmx.html

Postgrest is of course written in . But what I didn't know was that is based on Postgrest, and they employ the lead developer of postgrest to work on it fulltime, which means Supabase is also based on Haskell!

everywhere!

Deus,
@Deus@charcha.cc avatar

@haskman Off topic. An Open Graph (card preview) of a link with a preview of the video - that's the first time I'm seeing one.

mpesce, to random
@mpesce@arvr.social avatar

Top of right now:

Ask Microsoft: Are you using our personal data to train AI?

"We had four lawyers, three privacy experts, and two campaigners look at Microsoft's new Service Agreement, which will go into effect on 30 September, and none of our experts could tell if Microsoft plans on using your personal data – including audio, video, chat, and attachments from 130 products, including Office, Skype, Teams, and Xbox – to train its AI models..."

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/microsoft-ai/

rmdes, to random
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

This blog thread is literally a mine of gems from the internet.. I love it ☺️

https://32bit.cafe/

rmdes, to random
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

I've reached out to
https://dm.hn and I think we're about to get a huge list of most of the blogs that were submitted to the original thread!

That's going really fun to subscribe to!

dredmorbius, to aitools

It is really not so repulsive to see the poor asking for money as to see the rich asking for more money. And advertisement is the rich asking for more money. A man would be annoyed if he found himself in a mob of millionaires, all holding out their silk hats for a penny; or all shouting with one voice, “Give me money.” Yet advertisement does really assault the eye very much as such a shout would assault the ear. “Budge’s Boots are the Best” simply means “Give me money”; “Use Seraphic Soap” simply means “Give me money.” It is a complete mistake to suppose that common people make our towns commonplace, with unsightly things like advertisements. Most of those whose wares are thus placarded everywhere are very wealthy gentlemen with coronets and country seats, men who are probably very particular about the artistic adornment of their own homes. They disfigure their towns in order to decorate their houses.

— G.K. Chesterton, The New Jersusalem

http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc/books/GKC_New_Jerusalem.html

Via lolinder @ hn: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36537564

rmdes, to fediverse
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

Thinking about Hacker News but sprinkled with

imagine being able to reply and participate to any post from the and with have fediverse comments mingled with native HN activity.

+ and we shift the balance back in the open web.

rmdes,
@rmdes@mstdn.social avatar

I could easily do a test with this idea using RSS to autofeed a or forum and then consume the firehose from , just for fun!

Image from Microsoft SwiftKey Keyboard

fedi,

@rmdes I don't think there's any doubt but that the 'threadiverse' could eat into Hackernews ' market share. They are very similar.

There are a few lemmies which currently occupy a similar space including

https://programming.dev

publicvoit, to reddit
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

My article on long-term perspectives of important information on the web gained additional momentum (and great reading rates) with the self-inflicted demise of #reddit:

Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Web Forums Like Reddit, #facebook, #HN, ...
https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/

#publicvoit #Usenet #lemmy #redditmigration #walledgardens

abcdw, (edited ) to random
@abcdw@fosstodon.org avatar

Tonight a few friends sent me a message that is on a front page of Hacker News. Is it something good?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36131210

https://trop.in/rde

daviwil,
@daviwil@fosstodon.org avatar

@abcdw frontpage of hackernews can either be a blessing or a curse. So far the comments on this post seem complimentary of Guix, at least.

colinsmatt11,
@colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com avatar

@abcdw Seems like people are liking it but want a more common user friendly solutions of guix.

dredmorbius, to random

Hacker News front-page analytics

A question about what states were most-frequently represented on the HN homepage had me do some quick querying via Hacker News's Algolia search ... which is NOT limited to the front page. Those results were ... surprising (Maine and Iowa outstrip the more probable results of California and, say, New York). Results are further confounded by other factors.

Thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36076870

HN provides an interface to historical front-page stories (https://news.ycombinator.com/front), and that can be crawled by providing a list of corresponding date specifications, e.g.:

https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-05-25<br></br>

Easy enough.

So I'm crawling that and compiling a local archive. Rate-limiting and other factors mean that's only about halfway complete, and a full pull will take another day or so.

But I'll be able to look at story titles, sites, submitters, time-based patterns (day of week, day of month, month of year, yearly variations), and other patterns. There's also looking at mean points and comments by various dimensions.

Among surprises are that as of January 2015, among the highest consistently-voted sites is The Guardian. I'd thought HN leaned consistently less liberal.

The full archive will probably be < 1 GB (raw HTML), currently 123 MB on disk.

Contents are the 30 top-voted stories for each day since 20 February 2007.

If anyone has suggestions for other questions to ask of this, fire away.

And, as of early 2015, top state mentions are:

 1. new york:         150<br></br> 2. california:       101<br></br> 3. texas:             39<br></br> 4. washington:        38<br></br> 5. colorado:          15<br></br> 6. florida:           10<br></br> 7. georgia:           10<br></br> 8. kansas:            10<br></br> 9. north carolina:     9<br></br>10. oregon:             9<br></br>

NY is highly overrepresented (NY Times, NY Post, NY City), likewise Washington (Post, Times, DC). Adding in "Silicon Valley" and a few other toponyms boosts California's score markedly. I've also got some city-based analytics.

dredmorbius,

Crawl complete:

FINISHED --2023-05-27 20:11:03--<br></br>Total wall clock time: 1d 17h 55m 39s<br></br>Downloaded: 5939 files, 217M in 9m 48s (378 KB/s)<br></br>

NB: wget performed admirably:

grep 'HTTP request sent' fetchlog | sort | uniq -c | sort -k1nr<br></br>5939 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK<br></br>  14 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers.<br></br>   1 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Operation timed out) in headers.<br></br>

Each of the read errors succeeded on a 2nd try.

I'm working on parsing. Playing with identifying countries most often mentioned in titles right now, on still-partial data (missing the past month or so's front pages).

Countries most likely to be confused with a major celebrity and/or IT/tech sector personality: Cuba & Jordan.

Country most likely to be confused with a device connection standard: US (USB).

Raw stats, top-20, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THESE DATA:

     1  US:  1350  (186  matched "USB")<br></br>     2  U.S.:  1073 (USA: 59, U.S.A.: 2, America/American: 979)<br></br>     3  China:  634<br></br>     4  Japan:  526<br></br>     5  India:  477<br></br>     6  UK:  288<br></br>     7  EU:  225 (E.U.: 54)<br></br>     8  Russia:  221<br></br>     9  Germany:  165<br></br>    10  Canada:  162<br></br>    11  Australia:  157<br></br>    12  Korea:  140 (DRK: 69, SK: 38)<br></br>    13  France:  116<br></br>    14  Iran:  91<br></br>    15  Dutch:  80 (25 Netherlands)<br></br>    16  United States:  75<br></br>    17  Brazil:  69<br></br>    18  North Korea:  69<br></br>    19  Sweden:  68<br></br>    20  Cuba:  67 (32 "Mark Cuban")<br></br>
dredmorbius,

Hacker News Analytics: ~3% of submissions reach front page, with half of comments on FP articles

This is a finding based on maths and a previous study by Whaly in 2022 based on HN 2021 activity, rather than my own crawl, though it's informed by the latter.

https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective

The HN front page is a limited resource --- there are 365 * 30 == 10,950 front-page slots in a year, another 30, or 10,980, in a leap year, and regardless of site activity over a year, those slots are fixed. It's somewhat of a reminder that regardless of how much information we can access, our time to process that information is finite. Or as Herbert Simon observed: what information consumes is attention.

Whaly saw 386,663 total story submissions for 2021. I'm pretty sure that this is net of moderation (user flags, auto-kills, spam detection, voting-ring detection and the like). But it works out to a hair under 3% of stories not catching on any of those tripwires which then land on the HN front page.

Mind that that's actually a somewhat low estimate, as a story may appear for part of the day on the front page but not be represented on the end-of-day front-page archive.

I'm now thinking of doing some spot checks to see what kinds of success rates individual submitters have in landing on the front page. From what I've seen, even well-known and popular members have at best a modest chance of success.

Whaly also give a total number of comments: 3,769,520. That I can compare to my own front-page stats for 2021: 1,859,933, or 49.34% of all comments. That is, half of HN comments appear on the 3% of stories which reach the front page. That percentage is lower than what I'd have expected, though it's still a very strong bias toward the front page.

(Now I want to complete another analysis I'd thought of: mean votes and comments by story position (1--30), by year. Hrm...)

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