caveman,
ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

They’d load them onto cattle cars if the ground wasn’t too chewed up from the bombs to ever build a railroad there.

PanArab, (edited )
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

“Israel the only democracy in the Middle East and the defender of Western Civilization.”

nikaaa, (edited )

For real what is it with them, where are they even trying to go with this?

Edit: I mean the Israel army. What is their end goal?

Pilferjinx,

The extinction of the Gazan population and total annexation. That was the long plan anyhow.

melpomenesclevage,

do you seriously still have to ask?

Z8A, (edited )

Total victory!

/s

WanderingVentra,

Isn’t it obvious? Genocide. They want to be the next US, Australia, or Canada. Kill all the natives, or enough to make them not a threat anymore, and take all the land for themselves. Only difference we’re supposed to know not to do that anymore.

blterrible,

You’ll notice that the report doesn’t estimate whether they died before or after Israel’s incursion.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

I think it’s mostly vengeance rage, they think the Hamas attack on civilians allow them to use any means to find the Hamas soldiers, including killing civilians. While some extremist parties may covertly push for actual genocide, I don’t think that’s what the military tries to do in general.

DashboTreeFrog,

I see where people might think that if you’re just looking at the immediate context from the October 7th attacks, but I urge you to look into the conditions Palestinian people had been living under for decades, especially in Gaza. Rather than vengeance, when you look into the history, the October 7th attacks feel more like an excuse to go full throttle into carrying out what the Israeli government and hardcore Zionists already been trying to do for a while now.

tocopherol,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The political establishment in Israel does not recognize Palestine, their goal has long been the eradication of the Palestinian nation.

polskilumalo,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Motherfucker there is NOTHING covert about this shit. This isn’t an extreme position in Israel, genociding Palestinians has been the policy of Israel since it’s inception.

www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide

They are open about and proud of it.

Fuck, the IOF too doesn’t give a shit, they bomb their own and treat Palestinians as less then human.

news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876

Shut the fuck up.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

I understand it’s easy to blame Hamas and the Palestinian resistance for Israel’s disproportionate and genocidal response, but the second Nakba was long coming.

[June, 2022] How threats of a second Nakba went mainstream www.972mag.com/second-nakba-mainstream-israeli-ri…

[May, 2023] Why Israel’s leaders call for ‘Second Nakba’ middleeasteye.net/…/why-israels-leaders-call-for-…

[Aug, 2023] Why Palestinians Could Be Facing Another Nakba www.thenation.com/…/palestine-second-nakba/

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Additionally worth remembering that the normalization process was nearing its conclusion by October, Israel was well on the path to buying off all of its neighbors and achieving total regional cooperation in the next Nakba.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Remember to vote Biden btw.

Kalysta,

Possible war crimes?? Israel hit war crime bingo in the first month and has been trying to get a full card since!

melpomenesclevage,

also, they’re playing on like ten cards, and won’t be going home (also stolen, free space!) until they win on every single fucking one.

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

So maybe I missed something but the report doesn’t make it really clear who is to blame for the mass graves or when they were made.

So at this point this could’ve been Hamas or Israel, right?

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325

KeenFlame,

Any side could be committing genocide, it could be the ones that have completely flattened acres of homes and fly planes to kill civilians or it could be the ones fleeing their land, we just don’t know

lennybird, (edited )
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

lol if that’s your best rebuttal, a blatant false framing of context as if Hamas are these pleasant freedom fighters with no blood on their hands… Then you don’t have much. Tell me, have you even heard what they did on October 7th?

If you perceive Hamas as innocent freedom fighters then you’re naive and duped.

I’m no fan of Israel either. But don’t pretend Hamas wouldn’t do the same if they had the means, and hasn’t done terrible things to its own people.

baru,

You’re really claiming all those murdered citizens are Hamas?

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Genuinely, is English not your native language? Because that’s quite clearly not what I said.

KeenFlame,

Is your only move to strawman, and then accuse of strawman? It was no doubt who did this and to who. I have not reframed a single fucking thing

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar
frauddogg,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Death to the settlers; worse to their benefactors.

melpomenesclevage,

I dunno, I could stand for both to get worse.

Aceticon,

That’s some proper Nazi shit from the “most moral army in the World”.

melpomenesclevage,

literally all they do. the butcher’s star means the same thing as the swastika at this point, and the Jewish people should probably take an example from the Navajo.

Silentiea,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“most moral army in the world” is a bit like the dryest lake.

KingThrillgore, (edited )
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

They have become the very same people that once herded them into ghettos.

RememberTheApollo_,

And herded them into camps to be starved and killed for no reason other than being who they are. Took less than a century to become who they hated the most.

polskilumalo,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

No mercy for Israel.

melpomenesclevage,

no such place.

istanbullu,

Israel is basically Isis

ShimmeringKoi,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

Turns out the faction saying everyone else was basically isis, was basically isis

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

Nah America hates Isis

NoneOfUrBusiness,

They used to. Now they don't.

frauddogg,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

If you really, actually follow the money, you’ll find Amerika is bankrolling ISIS. Do you really think Israel’s spending their own money buying IS oil? Or could it be the millions upon billions Amerika pumps them with to do Empire’s genocidal bidding?

polskilumalo,
@polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Then why is isis attacking everyone but Israel, which America so so loves.

Linkerbaan, (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

ISIS fights against all America’s enemies. Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya…

Thankfully israel funds ISIS by buying their oil. And ISIS decided to attack Iran, Syria and now even Russia! Very convenient people!

nonailsleft,

It’s weird your source is saying Israel was mostly buying ISIS oil, while the FT article they heavily draw from actually says most of it was coming out of Kurdish territories, with the funds being used for Peshmerga forces fighting against ISIS

Taking all reporting into account it looks like all the produced oil going through Turkish traders with nobody down the chain caring who they’re funding

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The oil is extracted from Dir A-Zur in Syria and two fields in Iraq and transported to the Kurdish city of Zakhu in a triangle of land near the borders of Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Israeli and Turkish mediators come to the city and when prices are agreed, the oil is smuggled to the Turkish city of Silop marked as originating from Kurdish regions of Iraq and sold for $15-18 per barrel

It passes hands a few times to avoid direct links. Someone traced it back. Came from ISIS.

nonailsleft, (edited )

You’re pretty delusional if you think every drop of oil can be traced back in such an active conflict. You should read up on more sources and you’ll see everyone was buying cheap oil from the intermediaries. You could say Assad was funding ISIS with Russian support, but it’s a pretty useless statement once you know where it comes from

melpomenesclevage, (edited )

I’d check if anything you’re saying is true, but its pointless to do that with hezbara members.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad you are denying this report by making random claims about drops of oil.

Did you know oil goes into barrels? Onto trucks? So much cool info that’s mentioned in the article. You can even read the article before commenting on it to defend israel!

nonailsleft,

<span style="color:#323232;">>Israel has imported as much as three-quarters of its oil from Iraq’s semi-autonomous Kurdish north in recent months, providing a vital source of funds to the cash-strapped region as it fights militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis).
</span>
Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

What article are you even reading at this point? Your quote is literally not in there.

In August, the “Financial Times” reported that Israel obtained 75% of its oil supplies from Iraqi Kurdistan. More than a third of such exports go through the port of Ceyhan, which the FT describe as a “potential gateway for ISIS-smuggled crude."

“Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of ISIS oil. Without them, most ISIS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three companies would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel,” an industry official told the newspaper “al-Araby al-Jadeed.”

melpomenesclevage, (edited )

no, IS haven’t tried to end the world this month, have literally any discipline, and don’t commit the sheer breadth of war crimes; they just do the same handful a bunch, and I’m not even sure they win on frequency.

Mrkawfee,

It’s sick that the US voted to give the Zionist regime billions on the same day that mass graves of people executed by Israeli soldiers are being uncovered.

Maggoty,

We can still prevent that money from being released with the Leahy Law.

But we won’t.

melpomenesclevage,

yeah I can’t really blame any foreign actor who blows up a bunch of Americans over this.

bennieandthez,
@bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml avatar

And Blinken shamelessly calls China the muslim genociders.

DdCno1,

Take one look at the plummeting birth rates of ethnic minorities, especially Muslim ethnic minorities, in China and you can easily see that China is the actual "Muslim genocider".

WanderingVentra,

Blinken has been giving me Kissinger vibes with how much he’s been supporting Israel’s genocide.

melpomenesclevage,

this is the one genocide even he tried to stop, and tried to get both sides to fucking chill.

and he was one of the guys behind the move to back the Khmer rouge. might’ve been his idea idr.

SummerIsTooWarm,

ThE mOsT mOrAl ArMy In ThE WoRlD

melpomenesclevage,

to be fair, they do atrocities at such a rate, it requires some grasp of morality to so constantly defile it.

nothingcorporate,

As a wise man once said, if you wonder what you would’ve done during the Holocaust, you’re doing it now.

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

wut

maryjayjay,

“Nothing” The answer is nothing

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