@sarah I'm not in a headspace where i can contribute to side projects at the moment, but I do think a CoC would be great. I saw how things went last time around & was not pleased with how some folks reacted to the idea, so I want to speak up and offer a clear thumbs up this time. :)
There were some attempts in the past but internals was ... how do I put that politely ... showing that it needed one while telling everyone that it didn't need one?
@heiglandreas@sarah@ramsey@Crell@pronskiy I think I have repos with the original work from 8ish years ago. Some of the detractors haven't been seen since then... So maybe better success this time. I'll chase them down when I get home.
@sarah I've a question, but don't feel obligated to answer.
I've heard other trans women describe experiences after transitioning that they had never noticed or experienced before. Things that minorities in tech have been talking about for a long time. Things that many cis white men just aren't aware of - to the point of being dismissive. "I don't see it so it must not happen here."
I'm wondering if you've had similar experiences as a trans woman, and this has influenced your current views?
@maccath It most certainly has. I've experienced colleagues dismissing my perspective or taking credit for my ideas. I've experienced discrimination. I've experienced many things that I assumed didn't happen but they do.
It has shaped my viewpoint. I'm sorry for the times that I made comments or had views that were harmful.
@sarah thanks for being so open! It really is fascinating how differently a person is viewed based on such arbitrary things as gender expression. Congrats on being able to live as your authentic self - I'm sorry that being a woman isn't easy. People like to claim 'things are better now', but they're not, really. :( It's tiring to have to stand up for yourself when the industry seems intent on dragging you down. Women that remain in tech this long are truly some of the most determined humans.
@sarah We can't do this on our own. We need all the support we can get. So yes, a CoC would be great. It's not a silver bullet but it shows that the project cares about what we say.
My issue is that every time I've tried to propose a CoC in the past for FIG, I got sealioned by "well why aren't you just using Contributor Covenant?" as the only feedback, and "I dislike CC v1 for $reasons" wasn't a sufficient explanation.
So yeah, I support a CoC for both Internals and FIG, but depends on details, and I will not be the main sponsor.
My repos all use the Code Compact as a CoC, which is what I'd proposed for FIG. Some felt it was too wishy washy, though. (I liked that it was mostly "do this" rather than "don't do this.")
@maccath@Crell The last time I saw something like that was back in 2011, and the site was being uploaded via a hacked FTP (browser plugin) client, with the homepage edited/appended to on the fly as it was uploaded to add the extra JS/links.
These days it could also be a hacked .js script include.
@maccath@Crell I found another couple of sites on the same host, and that's got the same spam links added. I think the entire server/Cpanel has been compromised.
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