@yogthos Germany minimum wage is 12€ and will increase in the near future. Even though this is considered way too low and 14€ would be necessary to have basic needs covered.
@prefec2 also worth remembering that Germany has a much better social safety net where people don't have to worry about paying for things like healthcare out of pocket.
@yogthos considering that the piece was made in 2008, and minimum wage is still at US$7.25/hr fifteen years later, I don't know if it counts as "effective."
@evan@yogthos I can't help but wonder if the museum guards had to keep shooing away homeless people from the free money machine, that seems like something museum guards would do
Oh and did I mention that paid vacation [24 days/year], paid sick leave [up to 6 weeks/year] and paid parental leave as well as afforcable healthcare are non-negotiable minimums per law?
@yogthos I would be very impressed if it works that way, after seeing so many kids playing tycoon games and clicker games for far less than minimum wage and calling it fun.
Roblox especially is such a fascinating training ground for servile labour.
What's different? Maybe only that one of them is gamified. I bet it'd be different if the penny dispensing rate were erratic, sometimes giving nothing, sometimes giving a whole dollar or two. But the same average rate. Sound familiar?
@yogthos Funnily enough, many people outside NY (and the US in general) would kill for such a machine. I have a somewhat-well-paying job in Poland, the pay here is pretty respectable by our standards, and I’m barely making more than this machine would give me, and this is in a somewhat developed EU country.
@yogthos acoording to numbeo, one would need around 2,983.6$ (14,475.3R$) in Sao Paulo to maintain the same standard of life that one can have with 9,500.0$ in New York, NY. So, it's 218% more expensive there. Meanwhile, our hourly rate is 1.23$ (6R$). So, NY is 218% more expensive, but the minimum wage is 486% greater. @miki has a solid point even lacking data.
@vereda@yogthos This also depends on what you want to do with your money. Locally-sourced products and services, think food and rent, are usually cheaper in places where salaries are lower, but this is much less true about flights, technology, cars and such. A programmer in Silicon Valley and a programmer in Nairobi might both spend 95% of their respective salaries on food, rent, medical expenses, schooling for their children etc, but the extra 5% in San Francisco will get you a top-of-the-line MacBook and a Tesla, where that same 5% in Nairobi will get you an used Dell laptop from 3 years ago and a mopet. Even better, if you make senior developer money in the US, live like a junior developer or worse and save up the difference, you can then move to a poorer country, perhaps the country you came from, and that difference will get you a long, long way, even though that money wouldn't be enough for three months' rent in California. This difference is much bigger for people who earn a lot, but it is still there, regardless of your level of income.
@yogthos@miki@vereda actually imho raising minimal wage is temporary, and LEDs to inflation increase, cuz companies increases the prices by raise % with safety factor
Way better would be providing maximum wage (progressive taxes?), but it unfortunately seems complicated af to implement
Idk how its described in scientific papers, just my thoughts
@bytter@miki@vereda the actual solution has to be to eliminate private ownership of the means of production entirely and replace it with a mix of publicly owned companies and worker owned cooperatives.
@yogthos@bytter@vereda We also tried this here. My parents’ generation still remember how it was like, and it wasn’t pretty. You can’t enjoy capitalism unless you’ve been on the other side, as it were.
@miki@bytter@vereda I grew up in USSR and I far prefer the communist system. I guess some people only care about themselves and have no qualms with rampant exploitation under capitalism as long as they got theirs.
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