garbados,
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advice for aspiring programmers GO

danhulton,
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@garbados Not exactly advice on how to find a programming job, but on how to find your NEXT programming job:

Help people and stay in touch. When people leave, keep an eye on where they leave to. When it's time to find a new job, these people are your professional network, and if you've done #1 correctly and sufficiently, will be thrilled to try to find a place for you where they are.

passenger,

@garbados

If you have specific domain knowledge, employers will often overlook you not having tech skills or (more important) experience.

If you're applying for a job writing supply chain software, you can have knowledge of supply chain or of software. You often don't need both. (If you do have both then you can sometimes make bank.)

batterpunts,
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@garbados be nice, know a whole bunch of things, you can get better later, be nice, be on time, be nice

garbados,
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@batterpunts "be nice" on the one hand, very good advice. practical. unfortunately necessary. and yet...

i hate the reign of professionalism. i am tired of being nice. i am tired of my connection to the means of survival being predicated on whether i can swallow my anger at infernal machinery and their profiteering keepers.

anyway i'll pass this along 🙃

garbados,
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mysterious aptitudes of capable programmers aside, i am looking for specific and actionable counsel i can give to people looking to break into the industry of software

rolenthedeep,
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@garbados pretty much just do something noteworthy. Build an impressive personal project, become a major contributor to an existing project.

What you want is a big shiny thing you can point at and say "I did this, hire me and I can do it for you". Hiring managers love big shiny things

garbados,
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@rolenthedeep can you describe "impressive personal project" more? i want to try to divide that away from pounding your face against a technology you don't understand for umpteen months, which is a thing novices do instead because they don't have the skills to distinguish the two

CptFabulous,

@garbados my two would probably be

  1. Try to relate it to something you like
  2. You can learn a lot from collaborating
CptFabulous,

@garbados also, sorry if I missed the joke about GO

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@CptFabulous not a joke, literally “go [answer me]”

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@CptFabulous great now how do you find a job tho

viq,
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@garbados @CptFabulous if you collaborated with someone with more experience, there's a good chance they either are working as programmer, or know people who do. You've already shown them how you work and think, see if that helps you get a foot in the door somewhere.

garbados,
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@viq @CptFabulous i'm sorry i think you may misunderstand. i am not the aspiring programmer. i have 15+ years experience. so if your counsel here is "ask a programmer, maybe it will get your foot in the door" then buddy i am that programmer

viq,
@viq@hackerspace.pl avatar

@garbados
I know this is not advice for you. This was a figurative "you" aimed at the aspiring programmer from the first post.
@CptFabulous

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@viq @CptFabulous gotcha, sorry for the misread

lambtor,
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@CptFabulous @garbados don't hesitate to put in for positions where your skillset doesn't totally match. lots of positions are a wish list of technologies.

enkiv2,
@enkiv2@eldritch.cafe avatar

@garbados

the number one skill in programming is masochism, and as long as you're willing to put up with frustration for extended periods of time you'll make a good programmer (regardless of other skills)

garbados,
@garbados@friend.camp avatar

@enkiv2 how about like how to find a job

enkiv2,
@enkiv2@eldritch.cafe avatar

@garbados

oh. i can't really give any advice on that; i lucked out & my internship turned into a full time position

garbados,
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@enkiv2 congratulations

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