kkarhan,
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Someone asked me in regards to OS/1337 "why don't you just use mkroot from @landley ?"

https://landley.net/toybox/downloads/binaries/mkroot/latest/

And that is a valid question.

To sum it up:

  1. #mkroot for #i486 requires 3MiB of storage and thus is not an option for the 1440kB target size of the current, minimalist system.

  2. shure I could instead make a #Syslinux #bootFloppy but that feels like cheating...

  3. In the end the idea of OS/1337 is to build a #TUI-based #Desktop that can be built to run on everything.

#OS1337

kkarhan,
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It's not that I dislike @landley 's work and #mkroot is propably the best starting point for #EmbeddedLinux development and everyone who wants to DIY a minimalist #Linux should check that out instead...
https://landley.net/toybox/

It's just that I intent OS/1337 to be a starting point for something wider in scope long-term than being the most frugally possible Linux that can compile itself and act as basis for the underlying #toybox/Linux that powers #Android.

kkarhan,
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OS/1337 should allow people to #upcycle devices to something useful.

Not just to be a "1st class #Android developer" as @landley explained over 10 years ago [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGmtP5Lg_t0#t=4m22s ] but also be a minimalist #Linux to do generic #CLI tools for and use as a daily-driver - capable with a #CLI.

To run on machines way too slow and low-end to be able to run #GUI's...

kkarhan,
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Stuff even #AdeliéLinux doesn't serve anymore or couldn't serve with a desktop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArGaJGFVH4 video via @ActionRetro

kkarhan, (edited )
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

Something like a #minimalist #SBC that doesn't even have #HDMI but only a #serial #console for access...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYfpptgb6W8

kkarhan,
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kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

...or some old #ThinClients that can't even do @bunsenlabs or #PorteusKiosk but otherwise are still useable as "#FatClients" in the sense of just using a slimmed-down OS to work with.

Also OS/1337 intents to be fully transparent in the sense that it can be used for #CriticalInfrastructure by virtue of being fully-automateable "#BuildFromSource" so on fully #airgapped systems and networks it can be deployed after it went through the ardourous #audit pipeline said users demand.

kkarhan,
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Also OS/1337 could be a way more accessible alternative to @Raspberry_Pi and other #SBC's in that it allows people to #UseLonger or rather #Reuse and #Upcycle stuff...

Kinda like @landley said re: #Android #development the same should be possible for #Linux in general, allowing someone in Agbobloshie to cobble together something that works for them and at least allow someone to browse the web via #Lynx and http://frogfind.com ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXDrIvShZKU&t=219s

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

OFC a lot of people will point out that cheap #Android devices are taking over #Africa faster and that a lot of places are already skipping the #Desktop & #Laptop phase of #Computing.

OFC, a #UsedMarket that is completely wack doesn't help in the #GlobalSouth as #LowSpecGamer showed in a deep dive into "#JustBuyUsed"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGiSd02uV4

But as we acknowledge that all production is somewhat yet intrinsically harmful, we should at least try to #UseLonger, #Reuseand #Upcycle a lot harder!

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

Still, better use something like #AdelieLinux on a #G4 #MacBook instead of throwing it away...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEG7pn_cGvI&t=505s via @ActionRetro

SweetAIBelle,

@kkarhan @ActionRetro
Well... If I had an old G4 PowerMac, I'd personally probably turn it into a gaming machine, and put Escape Velocity Nova, Taskmaker, and other classic old Mac games on it.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@SweetAIBelle @ActionRetro OFC that'll be the prime use-case for one...

But what if you want to diagnose some issues or backup/restore it's drives with like dd ?

Cuz not everyone has a spare machine or fancy USB->SCSI Adaptors.

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