Mer__edith,
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Apple's statement is the death knell for the idea that it's possible to scan everyone's comms AND preserve privacy.

Apple has many of the best cryptographers + software eng on earth + infinite $.

If they can't, no one can. (They can't. No one can.)

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-csam-scanning-heat-initiative-letter/

Mer__edith,
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jamesholden,
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@Mer__edith It’s amazing how the politicians always hold these companies up as having the best engineers in the world, and then won’t listen to those very same engineers when they say it can’t be done.

kkarhan,

@Mer__edith #Apple is totally able and willing to integrate #Govware #backdoors, as they've evidenced woth the chinese #iCloud...

Needless to say that I think any "#CSAM Scanners" and generally #backdooring.tech are inherently wrong and to be rejected out of principle.

mathw,

@Mer__edith not a death knell. The UK government doesn't listen to experts.

ben,
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  • mathw,

    @ben @Mer__edith it does make me wonder if we end up with people unable to send nudes on an iPhone.
    I don't particularly want to send or receive nudes, but I don't think it should be impossible between consenting adults.

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  • mathw,

    @ben @Mer__edith there's really nothing which seems right. Even if we had 100% accurate detection.

    vorlon,
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    @Mer__edith https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip we've been having this same conversation with politicians over and over again for literally 30 years. This won't be the last time.

    lanodan,
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    @vorlon @Mer__edith> An editorial in the Washington Post argued that "smartphone users must accept that they cannot be above the law if there is a valid search warrant", and after claiming to agree that backdoors would be undesirable, then suggested implementing a "golden key" backdoor which would unlock the data with a warrant [16]

    Politicians trying to have drownable fishes, as always.

    FoucPerotin,

    ⤴️ Ce toot de @Mer__edith (chercheuse et présidente de Signal) et l’article de Wired qu’elle mentionne, c’est important. Presqu’un cas d’école. Apple renonce à sa recherche sur un moyen de balayer les images des utilisateurs présentes sur son cloud iCloud pour y repérer les images pédopornographiques, tout en préservant la vie privée, s’estimant incapable d’empêcher que l’outil soit détourné de son objectif.

    Meilleurs ingés, tout l’argent nécessaire, mais un écueil ontologique. C’est une leçon.

    borland,
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    @Mer__edith apple can’t/wont do it without sacrificing user privacy, or, as they say, start on a slippery slope towards invasive scanning for whatever the politician of the day deems undesirable.

    Sadly, I expect other companies will be less willing to stand up for that principle.

    bbak,

    @borland @Mer__edith You believe that there's a noble reason for that?

    They expect to lose vast amounts of users if they compromise on privacy, which has always been at the core of the brand messages. That's it.

    acute_distress,

    @bbak @borland @Mer__edith Rubbish. Most of Apple’s customers don’t care about privacy. If Apple did an about face it would have no impact on their sales.

    bbak,
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    @bbak @acute_distress @Mer__edith I agree with Henry here. Some of Apple’s customers care deeply about privacy and security, and they would be very upset if Apple backslides on those. But iPhones are very much mainstream, your average iPhone-owning soccer mom would still keep buying them.

    bbak,

    @borland @acute_distress @Mer__edith Because Apple invested heavily in Branding about: trust us, your data is safe in iWhatever.

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  • bbak,

    @just_a_frog @borland And why is that so? Because Apple at least communicates to be on top of things. By doing so they push the topic of privacy below the threshold of awareness of average people.

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