It’s a low-friction way to chat with other privacy-focused people. The alternative is something like Matrix which less people are going to use. That’s the push and pull of trying to be 100% private vs. spreading privacy knowledge to more people.
Matrix gets a big thumbs up from me. We're using it for the Kbin dev chats and it's super handy, reminds me of discord which is a nice plus since that's a UI most people can use intuitively
Change is annoying, folk don’t like having multiple platforms to talk with. A network is only as strong as the number of participants in ot, and discord has won that by a long shot. I’d love to see Matrox grow myself.
When I started using Matrix I definitely thought "wtf is this", but after 5 minutes and when I got invited to channels it all makes sense. Much prefer the privacy focused matrix
There’s a privacy-friendly Discord out there called Revolt. Honestly, though, it doesn’t bug me if the chat is on Discord. I will not use it, even if it is on Matrix or Revolt.
There are plenty already, why not a joint?
More solidarity/less division would be nice but it doesn’t mean that some individuals wouldn’t need to prove themselves to the tasks.
There was a recent incident from late April 2023 (a month ago) where Daniel Micay claimed he has faced a swatting attempt (attempt to raid house and murder), and a certain CP and gore spammer flooded GrapheneOS chatrooms with this type of nasty troll content, but in one month, he has NOT provided any evidence. Moreover, he claimed Royal Canadian Metropolitan Police (RCMP) is investigating this matter, and then proceeded to lockdown the GrapheneOS Off-Topic Matrix chatroom (place of claimed incident) for sometime.
Micay’s claims are still unproven two months later. Moreover, his accusations against and harassment of Louis Rossmann sparked a lot of anger among the non delusional people that left behind and condemned GrapheneOS after this.
This faux threatening using Canadian police’s credentials reminded me of a very similar incident that I faced at Lemmy from two moderators (akc3n from GrapheneOS and dngray from PrivacyGuides) on behalf of Micay. I am the moderator of c/privacy at Lemmy, and this was their failed attempt at trying to rage bait me into reacting hastily, causing administration to revoke my moderation powers, so that GrapheneOS trolls could make Lemmy their next place of habitat, something I protect Lemmy from.
During this incident, due to the chaos that the tag team of GrapheneOS and PrivacyGuides (remember they still have shared moderator after Tommy?) caused, one Lemmy administrator warned me, because they got scared about the name of police being involved. Tommy_Tran/Privsec_dev proceeded to get me banned from Lemmy c/privacy’s Matrix chatroom by tag teaming with dngray (PrivacyGuides moderator) to bait the moderator of that Matrix chatroom in believing I was the troll. Tommy took over soon enough and changed the room into some Windows/GrapheneOS Security crap, and later the moderator of Matrix chatroom itself moved off of Lemmy.ml (Lemmy’s main instance) onto Lemmy.ca (coincidentally a Canadian instance). I do not know if these Canadians are friends or just fellow countrymen, but what they did was insanely evil. (Instances are like separate websites that can still operate like they are the same forum/website.)
Screenshot of c/privacy Matrix room takeover and trolling behind my back, knowing what they have pulled off: i.imgur.com/PoTiANo.jpg
Want to know who the person who pulled it off, is? lemmy.ml/u/Yayannick, still a moderator of this sublemmy, right now, who mains lemmy.ca and has been inactive here since the past year. His real ID is lemmy.ca/u/Kokomheart, and this is the untold story of how lemmy.ca was built atop of leeching off of lemmy.ml, the main instance.
How about you leave, you apathetic narcissistic brat? People like you make me hope there was a possibility of cutting off people’s internet access entirely. Have you even done 0.1% of what I have done for privacy community?
Matrix is also decentralized/federated, has encryption integrated into the protocol and enjoys a broad adoption and public support. It also has pretty good integration of bots and even other message protocol services like IRC via “bridges”. The chat clients are pretty good too; Element is pretty much available for every platform but there’s other one’s which are more focussed on Desktop or mobile usage, depending on how you primarily use it.
The main thing they lack is an easy to use Discord to [XMPP, simplex, session] bridge, If they have that then you could just hop on whichever you prefer and be in touch with the group. Love it or hate it, discord is the top chat app for the moment and being able to interact with it is a necessity.
Matrix has basically come in to place as IRC “2.0” with developers, nearly every fediverse project has Matrix channels, most open source projects in general are starting to have them. XMPP has many years on Matrix but it never took off in regards to that very critical niche of early adopters, developers and power users. XMPP was a good competetor to the web 1.0 chat apps of AIM and MSN but Discord and other apps are much more rich content focused.
Simplex seems to only have a command line interface for PC, it als owould be pretty clunky for groups i think, I have yet to see anyone advertise a Simplex “group chat” in the way they would a discord server, but perhaps there are examples out there.
Session is somewhat better but hinges on the success of a cryptocurrency for its continued development so thats a no from me, also seems to have a lot of scammers although perhaps not as bad as telegram.
Oh man, Telegram is a total cesspit. Unfortunately there are several l#Ukraine related channels I'd like to follow on there, but I've resisted the temptation so far.
You say that, but I see no evidence that Lemmy is a good place for privacy either, yet here you are. I know upvotes and down votes are public and I know that your post are freely shared and stored across the fediverse.
I don’t mean this in a sort of “gotcha” way, but why shouldn’t those things be public on this sort of platform? That seems like the bare minimum for a community to prosper
I don’t mind if they are or aren’t either way, but it doesn’t make sense to tear down discord for essentially the same thing if you’re ok with Lemmy doing it. Whether they should or shouldn’t is another question. Also, it’s possible for my upvotes and down votes to be collected but hidden much like it is on reddit.
Everyone can see votes. On the bottom of a comment or post beside boost is more, you hit more and a menu opens, you hit activity on that menu and you see all interactions with that comment or post with usernames attached.
Also, it’s possible for my upvotes and down votes to be collected but hidden much like it is on reddit.
That’s true for one single instance. But I’d think it’d be harder for your non home instances to track your votes without them being exposed in some way. Right?
Which is kind of mandatory for how they’ve designed Lemmy. If you share upvotes between instances, then you’ve gotta provide sources. Otherwise it’s too easy for one instance to manipulate all the others.
You could not share upvotes between instances, but that would really damage small instances. Imagine going to a small instance and instead of the Reddit front page you get the Reddit new page.
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