tenchiken,

Sigh… Dragging this back out again.

youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

retrospectology,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Imagine if the DNC and liberal media apparatus had supported his presidential campaign instead of doing everything they could to kneecap it.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Sanders has historically been Israel-friendly. This heel-turn has been the result of enormous public pressure from his leftist base.

Its possible that a President Sanders would have been equally receptive to shifts in public attitude towards Israel. But I wager that his willingness to bend towards popular sentiment is precisely the reason the DNC / Liberal Media won’t back him. They want their Bush / McCain / Biden stubborn conservatism, because its better for fundraising among elites and feeds into the DC Media idea of “integrity”.

You have to remember that “populism” has become a dirty word in American politics, particularly among DC elites. Its very much Us-versus-Them for the insider class. Caving to “Them” is seen as a sign of weakness and betrayal.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

It worked in so far as it got us to Biden, eventually. Neoliberals were willing to suffer 4 years of reactionary social politics to cement their economic gains. And they’ll be willing to do it again in November, if it means “Biden was too much of a leftist” is the message ingrained on people’s brains when he loses.

Veraxus,

I think it’s possible to be both a Zionist (Zionist-lite?) AND opposed to mass murder and genocide… including that of the native Palestinian population.

Omniraptor, (edited )

idk, at this point it feels like saying you’re a Republican because you support Abraham Lincoln’s ideas

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Given the history of Zionism as a nation-building policy, I think it would be very hard to divorce the existence of a Jewish Majority state from the methods by which that Jewish Majority is secured. You’d have about as much luck trying to justify right-of-return for Afrikaner Boers or Japanese Imperialists or Oklahoma Sooners. The goals of the state are inseparable from the methods they used to mark their claim and secure their ethnic majority.

A native Palestinian population is a threat to an Israeli state simply by not being Jewish. As the Palestinian population expands, the threat expands with it. And so Zionist Jews are compelled to perform a periodic culling of the population, in order to maintain their majority.

retrospectology, (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

If that’s the take away from a Biden loss then totalitarianism really is inevitable in this country because it would indicate that the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

I suppose we’ll see, though you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

Real Weimer Republic Hours. The Friekorps will drag Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht out back and shoot them, for organizing students in a protest against the state. But they can only ever managed to deliver a slap on the wrist to a young German officer and Beer Hall afficianado, before annointing him Chancellor in an electoral wave year.

you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity

The US has been running on fumes since the 2008 financial crash. Even if Biden manages to eek out another 40,000 vote win-margin by November, he’s stuck with a Congress that hates him and an economy that’s powered entirely by magic beans. That means we get another Trump/Trump-adjacent candidate in 2028 and 2032 and 2036 and…

Fades,

I was very pleased to see the ICC interested in the arrests of both Netanyahu and Hamas leadership

randon31415,

I wonder how much of Biden’s outrage is because of support for Bibi, and how much of it is because the ICC could start issuing warrant for US presidents?

jmcs,

100% the former. Biden supported the ICC until it started going after his pal. Now he just gave Putin a propaganda freebie.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Now he just gave Putin a propaganda freebie.

I’m not sure who this propaganda is supposed to appeal towards? The dividing lines between the old Cold War states have sharpened considerably. Biden and Putin can’t really do anything wrong, from within their own camps. Its always “Whataboutism” and “You people don’t understand what’s at stake” to dismiss the incoherent contradiction of their respective policies.

jmcs,

Biden gave ammo to the Russian propaganda when he questioned the legitimacy of the ICC arrest warrants and implicitly accused them of playing politics - which is basically Putin’s line. I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up with Putin being allowed to travel freely again.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Biden gave ammo to the Russian propaganda

Who is being propagandized? Everyone’s already picked their side.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up with Putin being allowed to travel freely again.

I seriously doubt it, if for no other reason than any number of armed and extremely angry Ukrainian partisans are gunning for him everywhere he goes. But at some point, countries like South Africa, India, and Brazil are going to be asked to turn down diplomats from an enthusiastic new partner by British or American scald complaining about international norms.

To quote the Kenyan Ambassador Dr Lubinda Haabazoka,

Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.

NauticalNoodle,

The U.S. has an infamous history of obstructing the ICC otherwise the previous 3 president’s would be potentially facing war crimes charges.

AFC1886VCC,

The US and Israel are rogue states. The same as we like accusing Russia, Iran, and North Korea of being.

retrospectology, (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Probably a mix of both. This is an issue that Biden us actually ideological on, he is genuinely a zionist. But he also has that habitual conservative infatuation with the status quo and sitting on fences.

IWantToFuckSpez,

The US already has a law in place that stipulates that the president can use all means necessary, including military action, to release any US personnel that have been arrested by the ICC.

They aren’t afraid that the ICC is going to issue a warrant for a US president. Because they can just park their aircraft carriers in the North Sea near The Hague beach and invade Dutch airspace. And what is the EU going to do in that case? US already has troops and equipment on EU soil.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Because they can just park their aircraft carriers in the North Sea near The Hague beach and invade Dutch airspace.

They can't. The US has an absolutely massive army, but they're not beating the combined EU in a war of aggression. Not to mention the logistics of, y'know, losing half your bloc.

lolcatnip,

The Netherlands could invoke NATO article 5, no?

djsoren19,

They certainly could try, but who do you think actually enforces NATO?

yetAnotherUser,

While they can do so, that’s a very effective way to permanently destroy relations between the EU and the US. The US will be unable to effectively project power onto both Europe and the Middle East once the military bases in Europe are closed down in the aftermath. It will be the US’s biggest loss in soft power since its founding.

maynarkh,

ICC arrest warrants are not about actually detaining people, Bibi won’t end up in the Hague either.

The point is isolation. If the US president would get convicted, they wouldn’t be able to attend a G7 summit anymore for example.

jeena, (edited )
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

The USA have a law that they have to send the military to Den Haag in case the ICC tries to prosecute any US Soldiers or officials: ASPA or the Hague Invasion Act.

Hildegarde,

I’m pretty sure the dutch government has laws making such an invasion illegal.

Ensign_Crab,

I’m pretty sure NATO exists to make such an invasion illegal.

IWantToFuckSpez, (edited )

No, wars between members are not covered under NATO

Ensign_Crab,

Huh. Now I know that the world isn’t as safe as I presumed it to be.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

Who knows? It is a pretty rare edge case.

jeena,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

I think everyone has laws making invasions illegal, that does not seem to mean anything to the attackers.

Hildegarde,

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

From the article …

“Without these standards of decency and morality, this planet may rapidly descend into anarchy, never-ending wars, and barbarism.”

AKA, “the center will not hold”.

I want to live in the alternate timeline, with President Sanders.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

Emmie,

How do you add some text automatically to the comments/posts? Or do you do it manually?

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

How do you add some text automatically to the comments/posts? Or do you do it manually?

Its done manually, a copy and paste of the following text …

[~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

Emmie,

You are a psycho you know it?

Danterious,

Hey I started doing this recently and I am using a text expander to make it easier.

Edit: What it does is add a shortcut that automatically pastes the whole thing if you enter a shortcut phrase.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

tigeruppercut,

Does lemmy do different font sizes? It’d be nice if it could look like some fine print at the bottom.

Danterious,

I am already using subscript so it should show up as smaller than the other text. But some clients treat it as a cross out.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

How do you add some text automatically to the comments/posts? Or do you do it manually?

You mean like this?

Put a > Then paste the bit of text you want to quote

Emmie, (edited )

No like a forum signature so I can put the AI excluding loicense without doing it manually which would make me kill myself

Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Ahhhhhh, gotcha. Sorry, can’t help with that.

gedaliyah,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure either, but you could try posting on !lemmyapps

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

We must continue his legacy…

youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI

disguy_ovahea, (edited )

He’d be rounding out his second term right now. He was clearly up to the task. I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes. He’s an exceptional person, who should be treated as such, like RBG.

Cybermonk_Taiji,

Imagine if RBG had retired instead of what we ended up with.

disguy_ovahea,

Senate vacancies are voted in by citizens, but yes, RBG opened the doors for women and Amy Coney Barrett immediately began to close them all behind her.

rockSlayer,

I’d prefer if he leaned more heavily into supporting upcoming socialist politicians throughout his state to help lead the next generation of leftist politicians into power.

distantsounds,

We also wouldn’t be dealing with this trump circus. The DNC really fucked everyone over

disguy_ovahea,

I wholeheartedly blame that election on Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

ShepherdPie,

And they’re doing it again right now but for some reason people lose their shit when you speak about it.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

He’d be rounding out his second term right now. He was clearly up to the task. I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes.

I fear that if things get any worse, we’ll have to “Weekend at Bernie’s” him.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

disguy_ovahea, (edited )

There are worse ideas. I won’t tell if you don’t.

alcoholicorn, (edited )

He’s an exceptional person, who should be treated as such, like RBG.

The close friend of Scalia’s who opposed worker’s rights, indigenous rights, and held up the constitutionality of solitary confinement? The one who prioritized her ego over not giving Trump an extra SCOTUS pick?

I have my criticisms of Bernie, but I would never put him in that category.

disguy_ovahea, (edited )

I wasn’t aware of those votes. I’ll look into them. Thank you for pointing them out to me.

Her strong stance against gender and sexual orientation discrimination, and support for undocumented people as well as people with disabilities is why I mentioned her as an advocate for the people.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

She also stayed on too long even when others were begging her to retire because Hillary Clinton wanted to pick her replacement. And then…

Ensign_Crab,

I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes.

I hope we get enough progressives in the Senate so that he can retire.

NauticalNoodle, (edited )

67 + 2 in the event one dies and the another resigns?

TropicalDingdong,

Sanders is doing right now, exactly the right thing. Its the thing Biden should be doing but is seemingly incapable of. Its being on the right side of history as history is happening and not accepting some fatalistic inevitability about the future.

alcoholicorn,

not accepting some fatalistic inevitability about the future.

He is describing an inevitability; Socialism or Barbarism.

rockSlayer,

Considering what’s happening around us currently, I’ve started believing that it’s actually barbarism until socialism.

Fredselfish,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Heard on the news today that Biden said that it is not genocide in Gaza. He really wants to lose I guess.

I voted, donated, and knocked on doors for Sanders. He should be our president not the fucking lesser evil Biden.

TropicalDingdong,

Oh man. If the TV news said its not a genocide, it must not be! Right?

Bidens a fucking disgrace.

Xanis,

I’m still going to vote for Biden. He is wrong on the Gaza situation, though has made strides elsewhere.

Unfortunately it is also either him or possibly THE Idiot Savant. Would prefer ol’ Bernie, even today.

Literally today.

Fredselfish,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

I voted for Biden once I will do again to keep Trump out. But after that I am done. Either progressive take control of the party by 2028 our this country can burn for all I care. Done with this bullshit.

Wake me up when we are ready to riot.

Xanis,

Honestly? I agree. Biden will give us a few years to get our shit together. Though I hope there will be people who are able to pull others together for that exact reason.

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