“nearly 100%” is probably as close as you can get without actually observing every protest from beginning to end including all behaviors of everyone present
What does nearly mean 99% 90% 70% or can we go as low as 51% and call that nearly 100%. Its purposefully is vague as shit. I’ve seen videos of violence so i can say for 100% certainty its not 100% peaceful.
Just over a week after U.S. President Joe Biden defended police crackdowns on dozens of anti-war protests on college campuses by declaring that students don’t have “the right to cause chaos,” a new analysis on Friday showed that nearly all the campus demonstrations have not been violent at all—and many that have descended into violence did so due to police interventions or aggressive counter-protests.
The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) examined 553 campus protests that took place across the U.S. between April 18-May 3 and found that fewer than 20 resulted in serious violence or property damage—meaning that 97% of the protests remained non-violent.
Jeez louise, all you had to do was read 2 paragraph…
Anecdotes so few and far between, meanwhile the anti-zionist movement is absolutely flooded with jewish voices. A narrative to dismiss protests, designed to resists hard evidence...like the article you are ignoring here.
It kind of sucks that having literal video proof of how it all went down doesn’t actually matter. They just say whatever they want, and so many people will never look into it, just take their word.
I’m pretty sure the mainstream media has a different take that they’d like for me to buy. Didn’t a foreign leader say antisemitism is running rampant? He certainly doesn’t have an agenda!
I mean, they're not entirely wrong. Watch the cops throwing down Jewish Voices for Peace members and tell me there isn't a rising tide of antisemitism going on...
Of course, like all bigotry, antisemitism is on the rise. Those Charlottesville protests which had "very fine people on both sides" were fueled by Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us". How many Jewish space lasers or similar right wing conspiracies have gotten national attention out of the unrepentant mouths of the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green in the last decade? It's VERY MUCH on the rise, antisemitism.
The problem is, being anti-genocide isn't antisemitic. Being anti-apartheid isn't antisemitic. Hell, being anti-Israel isn't necessarily antisemitic (regardless of what the ADL claims).
Do you know what's actually antisemitic? The american police state. Because those cops breaking up peaceful protests one day are the same ones that will be turned to sniffing and hunting out the tribal out-groups another. There's been a long history in our collective culture of antisemitism, but the worst offenses basically always flowed from abuse of the state. Anyone who sides with abuse of a state -- any state -- should think long and hard about what side they'll be on when the violence starts. Such as when peaceful protests are beaten up, tackled, run down by horses on the UT Austin campus at the direction of the mayor and blessing of the governor...
There was also former Israeli military and intelligence employees boasting about being in the mob that riled up and attacked the peaceful encampments. But sure no problem to have foreign agents stir riots in your country
Biden has supported the protests and only condemned breaking the law and antisemitism along with Islamophobia. Which as president, he should. Specifically he spoke out when protesters took over Hamilton Hall.
really novel stuff here. thank god we have a competent president there to say breaking the law is bad
also
We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was “legal” and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was “illegal.” It was “illegal” to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler’s Germany. But I am sure that if I had lived in Germany during that time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers even though it was illegal. If I lived in a Communist country today where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I believe I would openly advocate disobeying these anti-religious laws.
I may just be to cynical at this point but I don’t trust that at all. It’s just a pause.
Biden has structured that block as a “Type 2” decision. It creates the illusion of standing up to Israel but it allows him to instantly and unilaterally completely reverse it as soon as public attention has shifted.
Given history, I expect that’s exactly what will happen. Once the IDF murders enough people in Rafah, they’ll be “done”. Then they can pretend that they’ve turned over a new leaf and definitely won’t do any more genocide. Biden will congratulate them and resume all the weapons shipments, including sending the stuff that’s currently being held back.
Short of restructuring this as a “Type 1” decision, there’s little reason to think this is anything beyond theatrics.
They’ve already started shooting into Rafah. That was the safe zone they told everyone to go to.
What push or shove are we waiting for? The start of the full scale invasion? The conclusion of a full scale invasion? Is there some number of civilians deaths that would be too much?
[serious] why are there so many ‘moderate’ biden stans on this site (not you, but generally)? i thought lemmy was the sort of leftist reddit alternative
Because it’s a misrepresentation of people defending Biden and leftist in general.
Just because someone defends Biden doesn’t mean they support him. There’s a lot of hyperbolic invective being directed at him. And he definitely has himself to blame for some of it. Expediting CONGRESS’S shipment of arms to Israel. And trying to stay as neutral and diplomatic as possible in the face of the horrors Israel is unleashing.
It seems suspicious how narrow the focus is on him however. With literally no one pestering their Congress critters who could actually do something about all of this. Sure we should pressure Biden to lead better. But if people actually wanted to get things done and not just virtue signal, they’d be yelling at Congress more.
And finally leftist != accelerationist. Some, like ML know their ideology isn’t an actual improvement over capitalism. That the only way they could convince people to switch to their ideology is to destroy and degrade things much like capitalists do to other countries. But plenty of us lefties think both of them are wrong and pragmatically try to work to make things better.
Biden is the face of the Democrats. He is the president of the country and the supposedly strongest leader in the world.
Of course the focus is on him. In the same way when you talk about the French government the focus is on Macron, or talking about Ukraine it is Zelensky, talking about Germany it is Scholz and talking about China it is Xi.
All of these have different levels of formal power, all of them have different political systems, but all of them are expected to lead, to organize their political power and to take responsibility for the work of their administrations.
I can’t stand biden or the dems, and I would rather have lobster’s chew on my balls than vote repub. But at the end of the day, trump would hand the keys to gaza and the west bank over to Israel and gladly sweep the blood under the welcome mat… he’d do the exact same with Ukraine and russia…so while I can’t stand the blue team, we’re going to get the world on fire if trump and repubs are elected. Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.
Anyone who thinks that trump is worth the gamble is full on delusional.
these Anyone are primarily the Biden administration, the DNC and the Israel supporters in the party. They’d rather want Trump to take over the country, than stand up to Israel and uphold international and US law.
I am not exactly thrilled with Biden but Trump would absolutely be far, far, far, far worse. For America, the world and definitely Palestinians. I have zero doubt about that.
They paused one weapons shipment. Still the pledge of another 26 Billion US-D in military aid stand. Still other shipments are going through. Still the US does not impose any sanctions on Israel. Just a few hours earlier they also voted against and attacked an UN vote to make Palestine an UN member. The Israeli ambassador to the UN shredded the UN Charta to show what he thinks of the UN. That is what the US is still supporting.
Don’t buy into the minimal effort they do for damage control. It is a first step and to be acknowledged as that, but if no further steps follow, then it is clear to only be a lip service.
Yeah the whole point of me saying that was to lightening rod the downvotes from the op so that the comment didn’t get downvoted into oblivion (it was on its way).
Beware the white moderate. They are not your friend.
We see the same escalation tactics in some European countries, where Police gets a 2-3 years training plus regular on the job training. They know exactly what and how they are doing it.
Absolutely. The “identify and neutralize threats” approach is a huge problem, but that’s not the strategy they use for escalation. They don’t flex overt authority to incite a reaction. They use manipulative tactics and false representation of the victim’s language or behavior to frustrate and confuse them into overreaction. I’ve been through enough deescalation training to recognize the inverse tactics they frequently use in altercations.
this is what always makes me insane. police presence inherently increases tension because oh now here’s a gang of jackbooted thugs with guns and tasers and the power to ruin your life and/or murder you and get away with it, just hangin out. just tryna keep people safe.
i mean that shit must only work on the boomeriest boomers, right? that would only help at a particularly rowdy Kenny Chesney concert
Your completely disingenuous use of verifiable numbers confirm that the Jan 6 riot was violent and only 20 out of 535 gaza protests could be called violent, based on this definition.
It does not, in any interpretation, conclude that Jan 6 was nonviolent. Jan 6 was undeniably violent.
sorry but that’s not a fair analysis of the data put forward by ACLED here. they are counting demonstrations not demonstrators. and they are most certainly not couning charges so no clue where you got that.
here are some similar, though admittedly not directly parallel, statistics (published jan 2022):
6.8% of pro-Trump demonstrations (112 of 1,646) between January 2020 and November 2021 were armed compared to 1.5% of all other demonstrations (501 of 33,298).
The percentage of armed pro-Trump demonstrations increased last year. In 2021, 8.8% of pro-Trump demonstrations were armed (32 of 364) compared to 6.2% in 2020 (80 of 1,282).
Doesn’t matter. There was violence at Jan 6, ergo Jan 6 was 100% violent. Compare that to nearly 0% violence for the students. Why do you think 100% and 0% are close?
I’d say BLM was near 0% violence but you’re say it was 100%.
Again, how do “I’m say” that BLM was near 100% violence? Most BLM protests were completely peaceful, meaning BLM was near 0% violent. Why do you lie and say I’m saying the opposite?
Thousands of videos exist of that too. We don’t have to guess what happened, we know how many of them were not peaceful. We also know what their goals were and how close they got to achieving them.
Just like all the video analysis and the physical evidence at these scenes tell us how peaceful they indeed were.
Speaking of video footage, have you recently rewatched footage of the jan 6 riots, even stuff they released themselves that they thought was showing themselves in a positive light at the time…
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