cliffwade, (edited )
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I want to share this publicly, as I feel there are other admins out there that might want to see it and possibly chime in here as well.

https://social.growyourown.services/@FediTips/112163544709115656

@FediTips which is the same person(s) who own/run @FediGarden has confirmed to the DM's they have sent.

I've provided some feedback for them, and would love to see other admins do the same possibly.

@britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

britt,
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@cliffwade

I’m going to say a few things here briefly, and that’s all I’m going to say about all of this:

  1. Being kind is much more difficult than not being kind.
  2. Machiavelli taught us all we need to know about the divide and conquer mentality.
  3. Why be afraid of the very real threat of Big Tech’s ‘Erase, Extend, Extinguish’ mentality if we are just going to do it to ourselves?

The DM that was sent to Admins was not sent kindly. It was low grade bullying. I’ll always stand against that.

cliffwade,
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@britt Thank you Britt! I agree 100%.

I appreciate any and all input you have into these things as you've been doing them way longer than a lot of us.

ocdtrekkie,
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@cliffwade @britt Yep, the correct answer to this nonsense is "go pound sand". FediTips goal here is to pressure people to do what they would do.

You aren't suddenly "not a kind server" because you have friends or family you want to talk to on Threads... but don't want to have to use Threads to talk to them.

MartinGuay,
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@cliffwade
Geeeebuzzzzz I missed a whole lot of action today bud! Dang.

I read every reply made. (ALL).

Ultimately, do what you think is good for you & your instance. There's no point in worrying about what others think or do. I've got better cats to stroke.

The Fediverse will know doubt attracts a bunch of desirable and undesirable.

Threads; a city like any other instance even from the likes of Meta. You don't have to like it.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

cliffwade,
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@MartinGuay It's been an entertaining day here in the Fediverse. 🤪

MartinGuay,
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@cliffwade no shit. I read every damn reply I could find related to it. It was like going down a rabbit hole. Ultimately, I wrote what I felt was just, accurate reflection of minding your own business and enjoying what you enjoy and fuck off if your not happy with my choices. But of course in more polite terms.

cliffwade,
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@MartinGuay Yep. I get all of that and I agree. It wasn't really about the stupid "I want to change the rules" thing so to speak. It was all about how we as admins were approached with a bullying attitude as that's what several other admins mentioned, long before I ever mentioned it.

EighthLayer,
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@cliffwade @britt I’m not an instance admin, but in my opinion, because of how widely followed @FediTips is and how respected they are in the Fedi community, I feel like they have a much bigger responsibility to stay neutral when it comes down to Threads and other Big Socials joining the fediverse. (1/2)

EighthLayer,
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Delisting communities because they’ve decided not to block Threads.net is not helpful. If you feel the need to distinguish between instances that federate with Threads and ones that don’t, why not just add a tag that says something like “Federates with Meta/Threads” and let users make their own choice? (2/2)

britt, (edited )
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@EighthLayer Thank you for chiming in on this.

I recommended that they do exactly this in my post yesterday regarding the DMs.

I hope they’ll see reason. For the sake of the entire Fediverse community.

Editing to include a link to my post: https://mstdn.games/@britt/112159291090375978

cliffwade,
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@EighthLayer This is exactly what I have suggested both publicly and privately to @FediTips but it seems that has fallen on deaf ears, sadly.

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy Lots of people in on this, but for me, I really cannot see what is the problem with NOT federating with threads. Perhaps it wasn't done as well as it could be, but my current recommendation is that most instance SHOULD defederate because most users came to here to NOT have ads, their data shared etc. etc. etc.

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy You don't get served ads in any way at all. It's literally not happening and not going to happen. There would need to be tons of code put into place for Mastodon to serve us ads.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy Also, if you post on the internet, your information is scraped in one form or another.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy Indeed it is. But not like Meta does... which is the heart of the issue here. Meta cannot be trusted. History shows that. This is why I still recommend blocking threads, for your own personal data protection

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy It doesn't matter if one does it a bit more than another. Your data is NOT safe, period. You can't single out Meta when most everyone else and most every device you use has a company behind it that's doing the same things.

You know what they say, two wrongs don't make a right.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy I can, and I will single out Meta because they are the worst offender... history has shown that - this is the point. Historically they have been the worst. This is what I mean, you can block them easily, and I think you should...

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy Again, this is NOT what the original situation is about. I don't want to block you, but I will if you continue to try and shove your opinion down my throat. You made your point, move along.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy And? Your data is NOT safe with Meta. History has shown that over, and over, and over, and over again...
If you don't get that people don't trust Meta then the conversation is done

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy Your data isn't safe with Apple or Google, or whatever carrier you are with. Yet you still use their products on a daily basis.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy Eh? You are so blinkered it's unreal. You have a choice here - a choice to block or not to block. Users have already made a choice by coming to threads. You are really not getting this are you?

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy That is NOT what any of this is actually about. LOL

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

3dcandy,
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@cliffwade @FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy and just to add - those you mention are being fined regularly about their data useage and collection policies...

cliffwade,
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@3dcandy Fined or not, they are still using your data. They can afford to be fined and to continue doing what you are using their devices for. Meta is NOT the only company doing this.

@FediTips @FediGarden @britt @Whiskeyomega @beardedtechguy

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