fross

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fross,

The issue with something the sheer size of reddit or facebook is that whatever your stance, you can be absolutely deluged with thousands of people who feel the same. Everything is just way too big for anyone to be exposed to all of it and get a fair assessment of the stance - ultimately we now rely on algorithms and karma systems and other things to do that filtering for us, and these systems all have their inherent flaws.

Accept that in any system large enough, you will never get a fair assessment of what the majority of people think. And even if you could, what would it matter? Each half of a divisive issue that splits reddit is big enough to go and make its own system, which would still be so big you'd not be able to tell the difference from the original.

fross,

I'm trying to understand this comment, but i can't get my head around it. Unfortunately I find the reddit vs fediverse table (is it that?) actually more a hindrance than help. It doesn't format, at least where I'm looking from (kbin.social on web) so I don't really understand what it's trying to communicate.

It would really help if you could describe what this hierarchy is. It doesn't even need to be compared to reddit - just a clear explanation. Or of course a link to something that describes it plainly to those who are new to it. Thank you!

fross,

And what is the "active queue"?

fross,

So a boost is more of a sort of "revive necrothread" than anything else, and only serves to give visibility to content that is no longer on people's radar?

if not, what is the point of me boosting a comment someone else made 5 minutes ago? Is it because people who might follow me but not subscribe to the thread the comment was in, would otherwise not see it? So like, it's retweeting it to bring attention of that comment to my social circle?

fross,

This seems really weird, so the instances in the fediverse are not universally federated, they are contingent on someone in each node creating a link to each other node?

If that is correct then each instance should be really careful about who it lets subscribe, as it will be affecting the signal to noise ratio of all other users on that instance, no?

I think I've not understood it properly, but I really can't find a good guide to this.

fross,

microblogs are Mastodon/Twitter-style posts

For someone who doesn't use mastodon or twitter, what does this mean? Can you provide something descriptive about the two without referencing other sites (or at least not exclusively - and this isn't a criticism at you, almost everyone seems to be doing this!).

It's very confusing trying to understand what an article, a thread, a microblog, a magazine are, and what their use cases are, hence why they are all separated. I think if I understood the use case, I would understand the reason why, better.

fross,

Thank you. So would I be right in saying that it's a post that is published to my own 'space', and that while it's public, it will only be promoted to people who directly follow me (and hence my space)?

I mean it seems to be the exact same entity as a post to a community/subreddit/etc, just into a different context so not sure why it has a whole different name! This is I guess why I'm getting confused.

fross,

Thank you!

fross,

It's more readable now, thank you!

fross,

Got that, about the servers needing to be aware of each other, of course but the content being federated based on user behaviour is what confuses me!

Let me give an example.

  • I am on server A. Servers A and B are aware of each other. You are on server B. Bob is also on server B.
  • I make a post on server A on the subject of CoolTopic.
  • Nobody on server B knows about CoolTopic, so the post doesn't get picked up and shown to anyone on that server.
  • Bob decides to subscribe to CoolTopic (on Server B), and so now he gets to see my post, as he is subscribed to it.
  • Because of Bob's actions, you now may see my post on CoolTopic as part of a random feed on your server, even if you don't know Bob.

This is how I interpreted your comment "Then you'll get everything after the first subscriber on your instance subscribed." It's the combination of my last two points above - is this correct? If so it means that your user experience is affected not only by what instances your instance is connected to, but also what behaviours other people on your instance have - people you may not even know.

fross,

Thank you, this makes sense! I mean, it also makes me think this becomes exceptionally noisy as the boosts may grow at a low exponential rate as the number of users expands, but I will watch it and see how it works here :)

fross,

So the boost has a dual purpose? It both puts things in front of users (I want to see it because someone I follow has boosted it, so it is relevant to me) but also ensures that that content gets to other parts of the network itself - implying that it could not be discoverable on another part of the fediverse unless it was boosted into it?

This sounds so messy, mixing visibility algorithms with network propogation...

fross,

And really, why should it? If no one there is interested, it's just wasting disc space and bandwidth.

Well, that goes against the point of the 'All' feed, which is meant to promote interesting things to a user. Except it is now 'All but only on this instance - other things may happen on other instances, and if they're not propoagated here, we can't show you them'.

Which again reinforces the notion of the audience as a key part of what server in the fediverse you join. If you're a board games fan and you join an instance with predominantly board game players, you're likely to see lots of indirect stuff also relevant to you. If you're a vintage cars buff and you join that same server, you'd probably see less of what is relevant to you. With that in mind, I'd be prone to choose a server that tends to attract people with similar interests to me!

I'm not criticising just learning and musing, thank you for the explanations.

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