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I've been called "a giant faggot" but I'm medium at most. ♥️

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Wtf is this?

I don't know; why don't you run it and find out?

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Uncle Open Blade

Wait ...how was the incision made?

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Israel’s too “prideful” to let it not turn to full on war.

That or they (by which I reference a party of many) want full on war to prolong their stay in power.

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Easy it is a label to describe immigration status

It isn't being used that way (to describe a status). It is being used to describe a person as "illegal".

A person being documented or not by a group which claims political authority over a geographic area does not make that person illegal.

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Illegals is just shortened illegal immigrant, just like temporary nonimigrant workers are called migrants.

They are migrants because they migrate. They aren't "illegals" because irrespective of the status of their presence according to those that claim dominion of the land they are on they are not themselves illegal.

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It’s no different than calling a person a citizen.

A citizen is a thing a person can be. It's also a noun.
"Illegal" is not a thing a person can be.

Actions can be against laws but humans cannot.

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Humans can't be illegal.

Only actions humans take can be illegal.

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But they aren't illegal_s_ as that renders the phrase a reference to the people themselves and not their actions.

To refer to people as illegal is dehumanizing.

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Undocumented people may immigrate in a way some people do not consider to be "legal" but they themselves are not illegal therefore "illegals" is a nonsense term.

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Its a little rude but these are illegal immigrants we’re talking about. They dont deserve a lot of respect.

You don't think all humans are worthy of dignity and respect?

Some would consider that terrible of you.

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Not according to the left. Remember when Trump caught Covid and the left wished him death? Or when his brother died and the left cheered?

What relation does your mental conception of what some nebulous "the left" did-or-did-not do have to the discussion we are having here in c/conservative about whether the use of dehumanizing terms to refer to human beings is laudable?

Further, is wishing that someone you perceive as having an immense power and direct negative impact on you and your community would lose that power—even via dying—really comparable to dehumanizing an entire class of people?

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Yes. Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way, especially when compared to illegals.

Since you don't know the immigration policies where I am I can't comprehend how you are able to claim that assertion.

Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.

Again, kindly point to where I have used dehumanizing language to refer to trump here.
I don't believe I even personally wished his death when I pointed out hypothetical third parties you brought up potentially doing so was not comparable to striping a class of people of personhood through the language used to refer to them.

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I can. If you’re not a US citizen then Trump policies on immigration didn’t impact you in a negative way.

You don't think things US presidents do can effect other nations? Further you didn't state "immigration policies" when you said

Trump didn’t impact your life in a negative way

I would argue trump has done me more personal harm by ruining my enjoyment of Home Alone 2 than any undocumented immigrant has done me by being undocumented.

I never said you. Keep up. I said the left.

Ah, but you VERY MUCH did say "you". 👇

Either everyone has value or they don’t. Don’t claim higher ground and then say everyone but Trump as it makes you look like a chump.

Emphasis mine.

That doesn't even address what "the left" ostensibly doing something has to do with what standards someone who seemingly does not hold themself to be a member of that group should hold themself.

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My truck is blue, I call it blue. Is blue a nonsense term?

Using an adjective as an adjective is a nonsense argument for asserting "using an adjective as a noun to refer to people is not dehumanizing".

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Thats really getting into pedantics, and its just name calling.

I question if that view of yours extends to all slurs.

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That doesn’t make wishing death acceptable.

Some would argue it makes it more acceptable, prayers to Santa Muerte being the only way they have of effecting a person they can't vote out who has power over their life.

You just figured out he was in it recently ?

What makes you think the harm is recent?

Are you a conservative? Or are you on the left ?

Are you asking me to engage in identity politics? 🤨

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Just because you look down on a group of people doesn’t make the term to describe them dehumanizing.

Doesn't make it not dehumanizing—since it is—and it certainly doesn't help your arguments it isn't.

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It doesnt. I remove any uses of the n-word and r-word on sight.

Would you mind explaining your logic for differentiating those names people call people from these ones?

What issues do you take with the alluded to slurs you don't find applicable to this one?

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Not at all but you use the language of the left and the logic of the left.

English? Puedo cambiar a un idioma diferente si lo deseas.

Або ваша проблема в тому, що я використовував латинський алфавіт?
如果你想让我们更“右”一点,我可以尝试一下普通话。

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Words like no humans are illegal and all people matter except the ones like Trump.

I don't think I said those words. I asked someone if they disagreed all people were worthy of dignity and respect (they seemed to) and explained why some might find wishing for the death of someone who has power over them acceptable.

"No person is illegal." is a quote from ChokingHazard63, not from me.

I would question on what you base the antithesis you are seemingly arguing that people (and not actions) can be illegal.

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I’m fine with the term illegal and I belief all people have value. I’m not a lefty who only thinks some people have value.

I didn't ask you that. I asked you (since you seem to agree to speak English) how you squared an adjective being used as a noun.

I further ask why you keep bringing up "lefties" (are they in the room with you right now?) and if you really believe the dehumanizing language you're defending embodies "Being excellent to eachother" as the sidebar of this place purports its ethos to be.

Do undocumented persons not have value?

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Well, those two have much stronger connatations than “illegal”

What is it that makes the one you would censor bad, though?

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there’s more to an illegal than how they entered the country.

You're going to have to explain what the word means to me then, because the phrase by itself doesn't even seem to refer to immigration status at all and I don't know what you mean by it.

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Illegals

Again, I'm not sure what that means?

You said upstream all people have value so I can't imagine that's a dehumanizing reference to people.

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