Iranian foreign minister says it will not escalate conflict and mocks Israeli weapons as ‘toys that our children play with’

In an interview with NBC News, Hossein Amirabdollahian refused to acknowledge that Israel was behind the recent attack on his country.

Iran’s foreign minister on Friday refused to acknowledge that Israel was behind the recent attack on his country and described the weapons that were used as more like children’s toys.

“What happened last night was not a strike,” the foreign minister, Hossein Amirabdollahian, said in an interview with NBC News’ Tom Llamas. “They were more like toys that our children play with not drones.”

Amirabdollahian, who spoke to NBC News in New York where he was attending a U.N. Security Council session, said Iran was not planning to respond unless Israel launches a significant attack.

“As long as there is no new adventurism by Israel against our interests, then we are not going to have any new reactions,” he said.

exanime,

So gas prices are coming down, right?

FiniteBanjo,

Sanctions over Iran’s actions were only announced like 3 days ago, and trade in the region is still pretty upset over the ongoing Houthi Situation, so this news probably won’t have much impact.

On the other hand, who knows what Oil Futures are going to do.

exanime,

On the other hand, who knows what Oil Futures are going to do.

They are going to go up… That’s what they always do. People drive more in the summer, they go up. People stop driving for the fall, they go up. Winter too cold, they go up. Hottest winter in recorded history, they go up.

Blackmist,

Probably the best outcome. Both countries got to do their little show of force. Nobody loses face.

Well not the best outcome, obviously. That would be “everybody agrees to not be cunts and stop killing civilians”, but that’s not going to happen.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Great news, Iran isn’t killing any civilians. Only israel is doing that.

RizzRustbolt,

Well, they are killing civilians, it’s just that they’re locals.

cygnus,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

“I’m not owned!!!” Iran insists, as F35s freely roam deep into their airspace

mosiacmango,

Diplomatically ignoring something to prevent a regional war isn’t exactly someone deep in a world of cope.

They know Israel attacked them, and they are being the “better man” diplomatically by playing at ignoring it.

The “like toys” comment is childish and does reek of ownage though.

Corkyskog,

It makes geopolitical sense to me. Don’t respond and take a dig at the same time. If Israel tries another, it will look even worse on them.

DoomBot5,

We should all be glad Israel went with such a small strike and not retaliated against Iran in equal force.

AMDIsOurLord,

They literally flew 3 super small drones around some air bases and got their cheeks clapped, there literally wasn’t even an attack

Your submarine-convertible F35 Wünderwaffen also didn’t play any roles here

Hubi,

Launching hundreds of drones and missiles at civilian targets is not “being the better man”.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Iran has constantly proved itself the more rational and mature actor in the Middle East compared to Israel.

Yet we allow Israel to have nukes while we sanction the fuck out of Iran.

Hmm 🤔

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world.

SuddenDownpour,

Israel commits terrorism themselves, but since it’s against brown people who don’t have their own intertionally recognized state, I guess it doesn’t count. We should sanction both.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Israel's violence is against those who attack them and intend to do them harm. Self-Defense.

ModernRisk, (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world.

From all your comments, we can conclude you’re an heavy Israel supporter (perhaps Zionist?).

You keep writing things like “terrorist groups’’, '’7th October’’, and the most ironic one ‘’ Israel is a good international neighbor. Iran funds terrorist groups all over the world’’. Do you even realize; Israel funded Hamas.

You seem to purposefully dismiss/ not mention how Israel even became an actual state. Not only that, Israel being a good neighbor? Such a joke - They refuse to listen to anything what Biden asks and/ or says. They use the WW2, holocaust and the star as if that allows them to commit all the atrocities (genocide) they are currently doing.

Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.

The entire 7th October and ‘’self-defense’’ is such a lame excuse at this point. More than 33 000 normal Palestinians have been brutally murdered by Israel. Iran only attacked Israel because Israel attacked their consulate/ embassy (and killed someone).

Israel is currently doing:

  • Stealing land (illegal settlements, driving Palestinian people away from their homes)
  • Ethnic cleansing (removing Palestinians from their homeland)
  • Genocide (murdering Palestinians because, they’re Palestinian people)
  • Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
  • Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race (Israel officials said this themselves)
  • Lying to the world (decapitated babies & calendar story)
  • They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
  • They think and say that Palestinian people are, the “inferior” race
  • Apartheid
  • Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
  • Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”

Who’s the actual terrorist here?

Sources of my claims

  1. aljazeera.com/…/6-months-of-devastation-in-gaza-w…
  2. moroccoworldnews.com/…/israel-defense-minister-ca…
  3. timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-says-nuking-…
  4. reuters.com/…/israels-un-delegates-criticised-wea…
  5. timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-…
  6. timesofisrael.com/only-15-of-israelis-want-netany…

EDIT: Also majority of the normal civilians in Israel does not even want their current prime minister anymore. Only 15% of the Israeli’s want him, the rest (85%) want him gone.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Israel is only a threat to those who attack it, and Palestinian Arab nationalists have been trying to murder Jews for the last hundred years for merely existing in the Levant and legally buying land there. Were it not for this, a one-state solution would have been workable, borders would have never been drawn by the UN, and Israel never would have formed as it did, in mutual self-defense.

No doubt many atrocities occurred during the nakba, there were Jewish terrorist groups who drove out peaceful villages, while this does not justify them, let us not forget they were formed in response to slaughters of Jews. Violence causes violence. Some people will do terrible things for safety. Many of the Arabs who left did so in order to fight against Israel. Those who stayed and were not driven out are now faring relatively well. Better than many of their Arab neighbors under their own leadership.

I believe Israel should exist right where it does because it's the only home the people who live there know. I guess that means I am a Zionist because I oppose genocide via destruction of Israel and think it's a bad idea to let the people who have been trying to murder them for 100 years elect their leaders.

Being a good neighbor does not mean you don't defend yourself when attacked, nor does it mean yielding to the United States necessarily. In this context, it means that unlike Iran, Israel isn't a threat to worldwide peace and stability, does not represent islamist conquest, does not fund terror groups worldwide and is not trying to undo the enlightenment. Israel is a modern Western country that just wants safety for its people. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone.

Collateral damage happens in war, and those figures are from Hamas and are not credible. Recent analysis of them indicates they are probably doctored.

Genocide requires an intent to destroy, and Israel has been clear they intend to destroy Hamas not Palestine/ Palestinians. Collateral damage is not genocide.

It's unsurprising that there is public animosity against Palestinians, given the violence they have been inflicting upon Israel for the last century. It's terrible that some Israelis might call them rats and other dehumanizing names, but using that to vilify Israel as a whole seems inappropriate, I'm sure Palestinians also dehumanize Israelis but that's not really relevant to this discussion or a valid cause for national violence.

Some right-wing politicians in Israel have said some pretty horrible things, even called for war crimes, but they do not represent Israel as a whole, nor are they directing the war. Meanwhile, Hamas has been pretty unambiguously calling for genocide against Israel and Jews even in their own charter. October 7th itself was an act of genocide. I support Israel because I oppose genocide.

Sometimes people get things wrong in the fog of war, this is not unique to Israel, and Hamas has been doing the same thing, like when they attacked their own hospital with a rocket and blamed Israel for it. They operate out of otherwise protected buildings, then blame Israel when they are treated like military assets they are being used as. They intentionally murder, torture, rape, and kidnap civilians. Israel isn't infallible and they go to Great lengths to legally justify every attack and minimize civilian casualties.

Who's the terrorist here? Hamas. Obviously.

ModernRisk, (edited )
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My very first question to you; where are all your sources of those claims you make?

Israel is only a threat to those who attack it, and Palestinian Arab nationalists have been trying to murder Jews for the last hundred years for merely existing in the Levant and legally buying land there. Were it not for this, a one-state solution would have been workable, borders would have never been drawn by the UN, and Israel never would have formed as it did, in mutual self-defense.

Who started to kill the Jews back in WW2? It was not the Arab countries but Nazi-Germany, an European country. Back in WW2, The Palestinian people openly accepted the Jewish people to live among them and somewhere along the way Britain thought it do be a good idea to give away the land to them.

The Arabs (especially Palestinian people) are being violent because Israel violently stole their land. An occupier cannot become its owner. It’s a mere fact if Israel did not do all the atrocities from 1948 up until now (ongoing) – Hamas would not have existed.

No doubt many atrocities occurred during the nakba, there were Jewish terrorist groups who drove out peaceful villages, while this does not justify them, let us not forget they were formed in response to slaughters of Jews. Violence causes violence. Some people will do terrible things for safety. Many of the Arabs who left did so in order to fight against Israel. Those who stayed and were not driven out are now faring relatively well. Better than many of their Arab neighbors under their own leadership.

You keep specifying ‘’Jews’’ as if that was the only reason the Palestinian people were fighting back. No, it never mattered that these people were Jews. It was because the Palestinian people were brutally murdered and driven out of their own homeland. So again, stop pretending as if this is because of them being Jewish.

‘’Those who stayed and were not driven out are now faring relatively well’’ – Another ignorant statement. The Palestinian people have a horrible life in the occupied places. Apartheid regime, two different laws. One for Israeli, one for Palestinians and the worst one is for the Palestinian. Palestinians get provoked, beat up and unfair sent to prison.

I believe Israel should exist right where it does because it’s the only home the people who live there know. I guess that means I am a Zionist because I oppose genocide via destruction of Israel and think it’s a bad idea to let the people who have been trying to murder them for 100 years elect their leaders.

Since you are currently speaking personally, so will I. Yes, I do believe you are a Zionist and you do not care about the Palestinian lives.

Israel can exist but not where they are now and the way they made the state. They made the state by driving away native people, murdering thousands along the way and now pretend as if they (Israel) themselves are the victims. They themselves (Israel) created this whole mess in the first place.

‘’Oppose genocide’’? What’s that suppose to mean? You are okay with Israel committing genocide on the Palestinian people but when Hamas, a group literally a creation of Israel actions – that fight to get their homeland back – then you’re suddenly ‘’against genocide’’? Such a joke. Not only that, Hamas is not the one committing genocide, it is Israel who is.

Being a good neighbor does not mean you don’t defend yourself when attacked, nor does it mean yielding to the United States necessarily. In this context, it means that unlike Iran, Israel isn’t a threat to worldwide peace and stability, does not represent islamist conquest, does not fund terror groups worldwide and is not trying to undo the enlightenment. Israel is a modern Western country that just wants safety for its people. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone.

Keep pretending as if Israel is the victim. Israel is basically a threat to the whole world, this whole 6 months – proves they do not care about what happens to any country except themselves. They do not care about international laws. They are a risk for the world, since they are willing to draw in other countries into this mess.

You also keep pretending as if this is a Jews vs Islam thing. Which it is not. This is about Israel thinking they are the ‘’superior’’ race than Palestinians, purposefully murdering innocent civilians (committing genocide) and stealing land (ethnic cleansing).

Collateral damage happens in war, and those figures are from Hamas and are not credible. Recent analysis of them indicates they are probably doctored.

This is not ‘’collateral damage’’. Collateral damage means it’s accidental but what Israel does is on purpose. You claim Hamas words are not trustable but, I bet it when Israel gives its numbers – You immediately trust them. While it has been proven Israel is the one continuously lying to the entire world.

Genocide requires an intent to destroy, and Israel has been clear they intend to destroy Hamas not Palestine/ Palestinians. Collateral damage is not genocide.

From all my sources above, we can conclude; Israel intends to destroy all of the Palestinian people.

It’s unsurprising that there is public animosity against Palestinians, given the violence they have been inflicting upon Israel for the last century. It’s terrible that some Israelis might call them rats and other dehumanizing names, but using that to vilify Israel as a whole seems inappropriate, I’m sure Palestinians also dehumanize Israelis but that’s not really relevant to this discussion or a valid cause for national violence.

I think, you have been watching the wrong news. The folk are all against Israel at the moment except Zionists. Presidents are the one who are helping Israel. It is unsurprising that there’s so much hatred towards the Israeli state – given they have been murdering, humiliating and provoking Palestinian people since 1948.

Some right-wing politicians in Israel have said some pretty horrible things, even called for war crimes, but they do not represent Israel as a whole, nor are they directing the war. Meanwhile, Hamas has been pretty unambiguously calling for genocide against Israel and Jews even in their own charter. October 7th itself was an act of genocide. I support Israel because I oppose genocide.

Israel has been literally murdering Palestinians people since 1948, what do you expect Palestinians to do? Sit, wait and die? The act of October happens when you do all the atrocities for 7 decades.

Stop pretending as if Israel is the victim. 1948 up until 2024 (ongoing) – they have been doing the most inhuman things to Palestinian people. Of course at some point, people will fight back.

Who’s the terrorist here? Hamas. Obviously.

I cannot take you seriously anymore. You have proven, you are an Zionist and dismiss the lives of the Palestinian people. Thank you for showing the world what kind of human being you are. All the atrocities Israel has done since 1948 and you are saying this.

This is my last comment to you since, I now know – I’m dealing with a Zionist. Zionists are not worth my energy, time and effort. I will just block you, I do not want to see Zionists comments.

SuddenDownpour,

Israeli forces routinely imprison children from the West Bank and keeps them locked for months, without respecting any sort of law or judicial procedure, not even their own. By the way, at what point of the genocide will you decide it is too much to continue defending them? Once they’ve kicked all Palestinians out? Or will you justify that as well?

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Do they do that for no reason, or because said children do things like attack them? Israel has been under attack from Palestinians for the last hundred or so years, If Palestinians want to change that situation they should pacify and make their own court systems so they wouldn't be subjected to Israel's.

At present this is not a genocide no matter how much you repeat the phrase. Hamas is not a protected group under genocide statutes.

I support Israel achieving meaningful self-defense goals, in this case, deposing Hamas. If they are forced to stop before this is achieved, it only helps to keep Hamas in power which is worse for both Israelis and Palestinians. Hamas and intifada has been the source of all of Gaza's suffering.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Israel has been under attack from Palestinians for the last hundred or so years

Israel hasn't even existed that long.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

You are technically correct, I omitted this detail for the purpose of comment brevity. 100 years ago before Israel was a state, it was Arab nationalists murdering Jews in mandatory Palestine, and the factions haven't changed much since then. Same conflict.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Palestine you say?

What is the conflict you reference anyway?

People weren't being kicked off their land were they?

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Long before the nakba, Jews were murdered by Arab nationalists for legally buying land in mandatory Palestine. This is what started the cycle of violence in earnest that continues today and led the British to determine a two-state solution was not viable and kicked the problem to the UN.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Long before the nakba

That wasn't a reference to the Nakba, actually but to ethnic cleansing zionists were efforting toward prior even to The Balfour Declaration.

Hyperreality,

The wiki article DarkGamer posted, in the comment you're replying to, mentions Jewish land purchases predating the Balfour Declaration. I would recommend reading the article. It paints a more nuanced picture.

(For the record, I think Israel's current government is run by fascists and that what's been happening in the West Bank and Gaza amounts to ethnic cleansing, although that doesn't stop some people in the fediverse from insinuating I'm a zionist shill when I suggest Hamas or Iran aren't the good guys either).

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

mentions Jewish land purchases predating the Balfour Declaration

Yeah, so did the book I had originally linked. That was the topic, yes.

Not addressed in DarkGamer's retort is the policy of displacement those purchases were party to.

Hyperreality,

The article DarkGamer posted does mention that though. As I said, I would recommend reading it.

andrewrgross,

It’s often no reason. The head of domestic security, Itmar Ben-givr was convicted of incitement to violence in 2005, and routinely says that all Arabs are terrorists and should be killed, imprisoned, exiled, and tortured.

It’s pretty brutal. He’s advocated for executions without trial and death sentences over social media posts. The man was rejected from compulsory service by the IDF over his extremism, and now he’s in charge of the national police.

andrewrgross,

I disagree, but it would be a waste of words to bicker over it.

What matters is fostering security and peace in this moment.

I’m glad Iran says that they’re not counter-attacking. I think the US should curtail providing weapons until we’ve established a shared strategy with Israel. I think we should pursue a strategy with Iran in which we create some incentive for them doing what we want them to do instead of just trying to destabilize a major regional power.

Overall, I think Biden and co are on the complete wrong track, morally AND strategically when it comes to the middle East, and according to polling, not many people disagree with me.

AmosBurton,

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  • Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah need some proxies to keep the Nazis at bay. Before they end up try to expand their Lebensraum into your country.

    Bonus points for supporting people fighting against Nazis.

    Harbinger01173430,

    Nazionists

    Belastend,

    Thank god the houthis do not want tp commit a genocide. I mean, its not like death to jews is in their Motto , right?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes indeed that is not their motto. If you read their motto you would know that.

    Belastend,

    You’re rights its just God is the Greatest Death to America Death to Israel A Curse Upon the Jews Victory to Islam.

    Thats sounds waaaaaaay less antisemitic

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    They found the word “death” twice.

    Why not three times?

    Belastend,

    Why mention the jews at all, if the enemy is only the state of israel?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar
    rottingleaf,

    So you are saying Iran funds Hamas? That wasn’t my impression.

    Hezbollah and Houthis are much better than Israel.

    absentbird,

    So you are saying Iran funds Hamas?

    I thought Iran’s support for Hamas was widely acknowledged.

    rottingleaf,

    OK, funds - yes, I meant it’s not the only or the main controller of it.

    AmosBurton,

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  • rottingleaf,

    Brutality taking over yemmen is just a side quest.

    They weren’t that brutal until being invaded by Saudis, just saying.

    Hizpala main reason for existing in to kill Israel.

    No, that’s Hamas. Hezbollah’s is to protect Lebanon from Israel.

    If you really feel these are noble existences then I can only wish you a peaceful life.

    One existence I know isn’t noble is to lie on the Web to reduce the expenses of a genocide.

    zerog_bandit,

    Comments like these are why I really don’t care how many Palestinians die in Israel’s war, Israel is fighting for its right to exist while people like this are calling for the extermination of Israelis.

    rottingleaf,

    It usually takes much more to sincerely not care like this. Say, seeing all of your family butchered before your eyes and some raped.

    No, what you do is pretend to be driven by some justified emotion, while in fact you were a supporter of a genocide from the very beginning.

    This is very clear, because decent people driven by justified emotions usually try quite a lot to not stop caring about death.

    AMDIsOurLord,

    All of them are national liberation struggles.

    Belastend,

    Hezbollah and Houthi are Shia and very useful to disrupt Sunni dominance on the arabian peninsula. The Kurdish, Iranian and Baluchi lineratiom struggles got crushed by Iran, while their stqunchly supported Assad in crushing syrian national liberation struggles.

    Hubi, (edited )

    Ah yes, liberating a nation by establishing yet another radical theocratic dictatorship.

    AMDIsOurLord,

    Believe it or not, the opinion of white Crakkkers does not guide the principles of people who are currently undergoing genocide

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    I must have tagged you as “F take” two months ago at least, and I’m right like every time. Thanks for all the free entertainment.

    theotherverion,

    Yes, because funding terrorist organizations is very rational.

    Jtotheb,

    By that token Israel should have lost its nukes after funding Hamas. Far too irrational for nuke privileges

    zerog_bandit,

    Imagine this level of brain damage exists, that someone thinks Israel funds Hamas and not Iran.

    FiniteBanjo,

    The truth is somewhere in the middle. Netanyahu allowed Iran to provide money to Hamas.

    absentbird,

    My understanding is that Netanyahu allowed for funding from foreign nations to reach Hamas, but the money was largely coming from Iran. Did Israel directly fund Hamas?

    FiniteBanjo,

    Also, somewhat ironically, Iran is the nation who provided money to Hamas while Netanyahu facilitated the transaction. Most people probably thought we were talking about the Houthis in this context, who were allegedly created by Iranian intelligence operations in Yemen while Saudi Arabia was allegedly doing the same with a different group.

    Jtotheb,

    I fail to see the difference. Israel’s policy has been to help Hamas and hurt the Palestinian Authority. They have successfully blockaded incoming aid in recent months yet for years money and weapons flowed freely to Hamas in Gaza. All to divide Gaza and the West Bank and avoid statehood, while stating as much. Must Netanyahu hand deliver the bills, or may we take him at his word?

    absentbird,

    The difference is that Iran was doing the funding while Netanyahu was facilitating it. The comment above criticized Iran for funding terrorists, and you said that by that token Israel should lose their nukes for funding Hamas, but it was Iran who was doing the funding.

    I agree that what Israel did was fucked up, and absolutely no way for a nuclear power to behave. But it seems relevant to the conversation that the government writing the checks was Iran.

    rottingleaf,

    I wouldn’t say they are more rational and mature. They are just less evil. But what Israel does is also in its interest (in only one particular understanding of it, of course).

    Siegfried,

    Its a pretty wild neighborhood to begin with…

    Emmie, (edited )

    Less evil? Maybe the external politics. I much prefer Israel as a country though. Just not the leaders and their genocidal tendencies vs Gaza.

    Iran is a f mess run by religious freak males and they only haven’t done any genocide because they are too busy policing crazy stuff on their own people.

    As far as I am concerned they need a delivery of some good old democracy

    Deceptichum,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I much prefer Iran as a country.

    Iranians have shown they’ll fight their government.

    Israelis vote theirs in.

    Both have shit leaders, one has shit people too.

    theotherverion,

    I have been to Israel and the people are quite fine. Just the society is really polarized as one half supports the government and the other doesn’t

    daltotron,

    It is kind of crazy how americans can’t really get this through their heads very consistently, when it’s also the circumstance in which they find themselves. I dunno, make sense I guess, it’s just a very, very cynical and nihilistic view of america, I suppose. Not necessarily wrong, but damn.

    wewbull,

    I was listening to someone give a potted history of Iran since the 1950s and it’s a cascade of western foreign policy mistakes. Starting with the backing of the 1953 coup, installing Saddam Hussain in Iraq, backing Iran against Hussain when he was a problem, removing a power structure in Iraq through war allowing Iranian powers to get footholds there. Same thing in Syria and the Assad regime. (I may have some bits wrong / out of order - go read up for yourself).

    The end result is this sleeping tiger of a nation that has influence in several countries around it, yet we expect it not to escalate the situation when Israel is kicking off.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I hate that Israel has nukes, but I don’t know that it’s a matter of “allow.” Once a country has nukes, taking them away is not going to be very doable. Especially not now after Russia broke its nuclear weapons deal with Ukraine.

    That’s the problem with nukes. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it doesn’t go back in. That’s why, if Iran does end up developing one, it will either be another MAD situation with Israel or they will both nuke each other into oblivion. There’s really no other option on the table.

    NoneOfUrBusiness,

    I mean they definitely didn't sanction Israel into oblivion like they're doing with Iran.

    DarkGamer,
    DarkGamer avatar

    Israel is only a threat to those who attack it.

    daltotron,

    I mean, I think the MAD situation between the USSR and the US had some success around mutual disarmament, no? Neither of them are devoid of nukes, now, but if I remember, the days of the world being nuked several times over in the event of ww3 is now long gone as a possibility. I dunno, this is obviously a pretty different situation, and that was kind of, not a fluke, but due to some pretty specific and complicated factors, I think. I dunno, I guess I’m just saying it’s more of a matter of degree than kind of being such an all-or-nothing thing, which is how most people would perceive it.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, I think the MAD situation between the USSR and the US had some success around mutual disarmament, no? Neither of them are devoid of nukes, now, but if I remember, the days of the world being nuked several times over in the event of ww3 is now long gone as a possibility.

    Yeah… I wouldn’t say that.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b88eada9-9c5c-4c47-82f1-899c927bf690.png

    www.armscontrol.org/…/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat

    daltotron,

    Damn what the fuck

    Hyperreality,

    They launched a massive attack on Israel, Israel responded with a very small and limited strike. Iran have been funding terrorist proxy groups for decades. They also treat their own people and women horrifically.

    Hate Israel all you want, but cheerleading for an Islamic theocracy is stupid.

    cupcakezealot,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    did you forget that irans attack came after israel attacked an iranian embassy unprovoked

    MrSpArkle,

    “Unprovoked” is carrying a lot of weight here. Calling any punitive action in the Middle East unprovoked is absurd.

    Harbinger01173430,

    Anything is better than cheerleanding on a christofacist or abrahamic theocrazy state., yes, even cheering on the islamist lunatics. /S

    Madison420,

    No one is cheerleading but just like Israel can protect itself so can Iran, your feelings about their politics aside if you strike a sovereign nation you should absolutely expect a stroke in return if not scale war.

    njm1314,

    In response to their Embassy being bombed they launched a few outdated rockets and drones that they gave a week’s warning of. Excuse me if I don’t view that as legitimate threat.

    queermunist,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s strange how you’re ignoring the fact that Israel attacked first. Iran retaliated, and did so after warning Israel of exactly what it was going to do so it could prepare. It did this even though Israel attacked Iran without a similar warning and assassinated an Iranian general.

    Iran’s response has been tepid and measured because it doesn’t want to start WW3. Israel, on the other hand, very clearly does.

    Hyperreality,

    assassinated Iranian officials.

    Bit disingenious to call (senior) Members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps 'officials' like they're low level bureaucrats, not military personnel.

    you’re ignoring the fact that Israel attacked first.

    Why did they attack?

    According to Al Jazeera, the IRGC initially claimed the october 7 attack on Israel was revenge for the killing of IRGC commander Qassem Soleimani, although they later retracted that statement.

    In any case, the cold war between Israel and Iran didn't start with Israel bombing an Iranian embassy. Honeslty don't know who started it, but it wasn't the first attack, not the first attack on an embassy either.

    Iran retaliated, and did so after warning Israel of exactly what it was going to do

    Iran claims they warned Israel. The US says they didn't.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14

    I mean, your user name suggests you're queer and a communist. How utterly bizarre that you're defending an Islamic theocracy.

    It is possible to be critical of Israel and not defend Iran. Just so you know, I know Russian propaganda probably told you otherwise.

    prole,

    Look at you tripping over yourself to defend the indefensible. Sad shit, man. What happened to you?

    Hyperreality,

    Looks like you didn't reach the end of my comment:

    It is possible to be critical of Israel and not defend Iran. Just so you know, I know Russian propaganda probably told you otherwise.

    But hey, if people being critical of Iran or their terrorist proxies disturbs you, perhaps you should join the ghost of Russell Bentley on lemmy.ml

    prole,

    Ohh shit my bad you said the magic words I hadn’t realized it.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    He was always like that nothing changed.

    Hyperreality, (edited )

    You forgot to mention 'genocide Joe' or go on about '''Zionists''' controlling all western media Linkerbaan.

    Not the level of debate we expect of you. Fingers tired from copy-pasting Kremlin propaganda?

    Madison420,

    That’s literally what they are, your feelings don’t matter. I’m quite sure some country believes some of your nations leadership are outright terrorists as well should they be able to strike your country with impunity?

    Its not a cold was when you launch a direct offensive strike…

    And yet several countries and the UN including the third party intercontact disagree.

    Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said on Sunday that Iran gave neighbouring countries and Israel’s ally the United States 72 hours’ notice it would launch the strikes.

    Turkey’s Foreign Ministry said it had spoken to both Washington and Tehran before the attack, adding it had conveyed messages as an intermediary to be sure reactions were proportionate.

    “Iran said the reaction would be a response to Israel’s attack on its embassy in Damascus and that it would not go beyond this. We were aware of the possibilities. The developments were not a surprise,” said a Turkish diplomatic source.

    Who cares what their personal politics are, you need to see the forest for the trees.

    That is indeed possible, its also possible not to out people and disparage them in defense of Israel.

    queermunist,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Why did they attack?

    To draw the US deeper into the conflict.

    In any case, the cold war between Israel and Iran didn’t start with Israel bombing an Iranian embassy. Honeslty don’t know who started it, but it wasn’t the first attack, not the first attack on an embassy either.

    Fair. Netanyahu has been provoking Iran for decades, this is just the latest escalation. But the fact remains that Iran was retaliating to an attack that came from Israel, Iran wasn’t just attacking out of nowhere.

    Iran claims they warned Israel. The US says they didn’t.

    And yet the US and Israel were able to perfectly defend against the attack and prevent any serious damage. 🤔

    I guess we’re just supposed to believe that those defensive capabilities are god-like and can respond to any attack with zero warning!

    I mean, your user name suggests you’re queer and a communist. How utterly bizarre that you’re defending an Islamic theocracy.

    Y’all keep telling me to choose the lesser evil in the elections but you won’t do the same thing in a geopolitical context. 🤨

    BaroqueInMind,

    Israel identified the ring leaders of the October 7 event as Iranian military commanders who also happen to use an embassy as their base of operations to plan and execute their attacks.

    The moment that was discovered, the embassy no longer became a neutral zone and was changed to be a target.

    This is the same rules schoolyard bullies do to protect themselves from punishment by hiding behind their shitty parents after bullying you, and so do terrorists (including Hamas).

    mosiacmango, (edited )

    International law doesnt allow you to declare “not an embassy” because i want to kill a motherfucker in it. Countries in conflict will often have embassies filled with people the other country wants dead.

    The whole point of embassies is that they are “off limits” so that matters of state can be solved by disgruntled parties via diplomacy, not warfare. Bombing an embassy is a direct call for war, exactly because it by definition has important leaders of that countires nation inside of it.

    Bombing it is no different than bombing any goverment building staffed by that nation’s leadership in Tehran. It is in fact a huge provocation for war, and so far its only Irans restraint that has stopped this from escalating.

    The fact that Israel has put the world into a position where Iran, a nation run by theocratic despots who brutalize women and sponsor terror, is the calmer actor, is absolutely surreal.

    BaroqueInMind,

    International law is such a stupid concept to me since it’s literally pointless unless there is someone who can enforce it.

    So don’t come at us with that bullshit, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all and it would’ve already been handled by the “international police”

    Israel and Iran and Russia will continue to conduct whatever they want, and there’s literally nothing you and I can do about it besides waste time arguing about it online.

    mosiacmango,

    That’s a lot of words to say “I don’t understand international politics.”

    Try my sentence next time. It will save everyone a lot of time.

    BaroqueInMind,

    Try which sentence?

    DoomBot5,

    300 drones/missiles restraint? It was the largest single attack of its kind the world has seen.

    bartolomeo, (edited )

    Israel identified the ring leaders of the October 7 event as Iranian military commanders who also happen to use an embassy as their base of operations to plan and execute their attacks.

    I’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention but Israel says this about literally every target they want to bomb. Then they promise to provide “concrete evidence” later, never do, and eventually their claim gets disproved.

    40 beheaded babies

    A hatch that leads to Hamas tunnels

    Gaza hospitals are terrorist bases, and that’s coming from CNN who runs their stories by the Jerusalem office before publishing, and has a list of words to avoid in order to further Israel’s narrative at the expense of the truth.

    The list goes on but by parroting unconfirmed IDF talking points you are complicit in Palestinian genocide.

    Edit: here’s another one from today

    theguardian.com/…/israel-unrwa-staff-terrorist-li…

    DarkGamer,
    DarkGamer avatar

    It's pretty disgusting to see you cheer for Islamic terrorist groups who would throw you off buildings. Iran was responsible for October 7th, Hamas is their proxy.

    prole,

    And where does Bibi fit into that, having directly funded Hamas for literal decades?

    andrewrgross,

    I don’t think anyone in this thread has “cheered for Islamic terrorist groups”.

    The factual statements people have made are true: Iran has been the more restrained actor. Israel’s aggression has been alarming. The US govt’s position has prioritized an alliance far past our national interests. It’s any of this incorrect?

    I don’t like the Iranian govt. I don’t like the current Israeli gov’t. I’m not thrilled with America’s gov’t. I love my country (the US), and I like most Israelis, Palestinians, and Iranians. Is that really hard to reconcile? It seems like the majority opinion.

    DarkGamer,
    DarkGamer avatar

    Look at queermunist's comment history, every time I see them in the comment section, they are simping for some islamist violent group known for murdering LGBT people. When it wasn't Iran it was Hamas.

    PainInTheAES,

    Yup, this one was ISIS flavored.

    EndlessApollo,

    Literally nothing they said in that thread came close to supporting ISIS and nothing else I’ve seen from them comes close. you just can’t comprehend the idea that someone could want fewer Palestinian children to get bombed

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    There’s no historical grievance with the Islamic World? They’re one of those people who deny the Uighur genocide, aren’t they?

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    ISIS just makes a lot of money selling oil to israel. So nice of israel to fund ISIS with money that ISIS will definitely use for Charity activities

    tryagain,

    Whoof I absolutely could not get into nbcnews without disabling my ad blocker. Guess I’m not visiting them any more :/

    Edit: thank goodness for autotldr! ❤️

    runswithjedi,

    Weird, it loads fine for me using uBlock with Kiwi on my Android phone.

    wewbull,

    You probably need to update your block lists then. Something is getting through.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I wouldn’t thank it too much. It omits important details all the time. Try putting 12ft.io in front of the URL instead. Like this:

    12ft.io/…/iranian-foreign-minister-says-weapons-u…

    Pringles,

    You need to upgrade your browser skills.

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