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raphael

@raphael@communick.com

Creator of communick.com. #fedi22 #opensource #decentralization

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dansup, to random
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I'm not against adding monetization features in @pixelfed, but only if they work for users and give them 100% of any profit/proceeds.

The easiest way for this is to allow and embrace external links to your own store/platform.

We don't need crypto or some other form of payment in exchange for impressions because we don't have ads, and we aren't in this for money.

A platform for the people, by the people, can thrive this way I think!

raphael,
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@richardc @dansup @pixelfed

That's the idea for @brave , but it seems that they got a bit too dependent on the easy money from FTX/Solana and Binance and now are a bit lost on their original purpose (make it possible for users to monetise their work without relying on centralized platforms)

They talk so much about privacy, but never ever considered having their own Mastodon instance, which could have been funded by their token.

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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

I am really not in the mood to get into another argument about this, but to summarize:

  • no ad is "replaced". "Regular" Ad blocking and the Brave ads are independent functionality and both are opt-in.
  • users choose if/when/how many ads they want to receive from Brave
  • users get 70% of the revenue, which is a better deal than any other
  • People keep repeating a bunch of falsehoods and assuming malice just because the hate Eich.
raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

And quite frankly, the fact that Brave's system makes the sites with in-page and tracking ads struggle is a good thing and the whole point of the system

As an user, I do not want to support ad-based sites. I want to be able to select who gets my support.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

Lastly, this "four cents an year" is grade-A BS. On "bad" months I receive ~4€, which should be more than enough for, e.g, pay for a Pixelfed/Matrix/Lemmy subscription. If more people did this, we could replace all of Big Tech and social media surveillance capitalism.

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@DanHakimi @dansup @brave

This shows that you don't understand how Brave Ads work.

The revenue they get is not from the ads from the sites, it's from their own ad network. Advertisers pay them because they have reach with the browser.

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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

Right, I do not want to support ad-based sites. I think they are morally wrong and I think this business model has made the world and the internet objectively worse. I do not want to "leech" of them, I just want them to disappear and give way to an internet where people can vote with their (metaphorical) wallets.

Brave's system fixes this. It gives power to the user to choose who gets their money and support.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @dansup @brave

Again: the ads are opt-in. How is that "parasitic"?

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

Visiting a web site does not imply agreeing to the terms of the site, do you know that?

Also, ad-blockers are a thing even before Brave. Do you think that anyone using uBlock is a "leech"?

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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

There is no service accepting BAT as payment (other than my own), but currently ~10 euros worth of BAT every month, pool together with whatever I received that month and donate to some of the registered content creators.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

Please, stop assuming that you know me or you can judge me by your own moral compass.

You don't know me, don't know any of my work, don't know any of my values and you have no authority the morality of my actions.

If you continue with this, this conversation is over and you will be blocked.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

A good example of the Mandela effect. You hate Brave because of things you "heard" about, not that you actually experienced.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @dansup @brave

To repeat: I want the current ad-based sites that I use to disappear.

Do I use reddit? Yeah, but only because the content is there: the more people get out of it and into other alternatives, the better. Same for Twitter and any other site that makes money from tracking ads.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @richardc @dansup @pixelfed @brave

Again: accepting a website does not imply accepting the terms of service.

Look, I said in the beginning that I was not in the mood for this. You keep repeating falsehoods, you keep trying to claim some authority that you do not have and you are now resorting to ad-hominem to keep your worldview intact.

If you don't want to at least consider the alternative that you might be prejudiced, then this conversation is pointless.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

https://i.imgflip.com/59s4a4.jpg

(BTW, I found this image on site that probably has a ton of ads, but I blocked them)

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

I am using reddit while there is no better alternative, not because I'm actively interested in supporting them or their business model.

Now that we have Lemmy, go take a look at my activity on both networks, see which one is getting my attention.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

I don't think you understand: if better business model existed, sites like these wouldn't be needed.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

That's objectively false. Tell that to all 430 million people that use it and don't want to move away and all the content that has been created there.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

What I want is a place on the internet to share links and discuss, without being tracked or having my data exploited.

If the only way to get that is by blocking ads from reddit, so be it. But if there is a better alternative that could help implode the business model if more people used it, even better.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

If Brave's ad network failed because people stopped using ad-funded websites and understood that it would be better to pay for their services, then https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/constructive.png

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@DanHakimi @brave

That link you shared is another example of someone biased and who does not understand context. They talk about telemetry, but telemetry can be (and is) done in a privacy-preserving way.

Brave's claim to "privacy" is that they do not know anything about the user from the ads, and the browser does not collect personal data. If you can show that is not true, then I'll gladly drop it.

Firefox is... fine, but still in bed with Google and depends on them for their revenue.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave Focus, my dude. 430 M is the number of reddit users.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

Really, can you explain how I am being tracked on Lemmy, if I am running my own server?

Also, understand that it's not just about privacy. That any data on the internet gets collected somehow is one thing, the problem is to have the data actively mined for people trying to extract value without giving to the users.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

Google Analytics and the browser engine have nothing to do with each other. Brave/Firefox can block it just fine.

raphael,
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@DanHakimi @brave

Are you really confusing the idea of "privacy" here or are you willfully trying to twist my words?

My Lemmy profile is of course public (check it out, https://communick.news/u/rglullis), the point about "privacy" here is that (unlike reddit) I am not tracking anyone's clicks, I am not placing cookies to know which sites they visit, I am not building a data profile from the users, etc, etc...

FranckLeroy, to random

Exactly 14 years ago , Satoshi Nakamoto designed the most pathetic / inefficient system ever invented by humankind : the blockchain.

Today, it weights 60 000 tons, wastes constantly 10 gigawatts (more than Belgium or Chile) to process less than 7 transactions per second :

Less than a 33 bps modem from 1990.

This could be a joke if it didn't have such gigantic environmental impact, wasn't enabling billion dollars ransomware industry and was not crushing thousands of lives in the process.

raphael,
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@feld @FranckLeroy

Also, why do you say "blockchain" when the "problem" with Bitcoin is its consensus algorithms. Ethereum also has a blockchain and it is considered robust enough to secure hundreds of billions of dollars while consuming less energy than all the videogame consoles use while in standby.

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