I’m always looking for media featuring aliens, especially multiple races. Came across this on TvTropes. Seems to dismiss the first book and say its unneeded. Anyone here enjoy/hate this one? Any starting point you’d recommend? Most importantly how prominent are the aliens?
They’re great! Especially Sundiver and The Uplift War. EDIT: should have added they are somewhat stand-alone, although you do manage to learn a little bit more about the overall arc of the plot from each book if you move through them in order.
The later books were deeply marred by Brin’s giving into pressure from his editors to centre them on a group of adolescent males of diverse species because his publisher was of the view that the average scientific fiction reader was a 14 year old male. Brin has written about this and how difficult it was for him to write outside his natural quite adult style. His fantastic characters from Startide Rising are pushed into the background and only get to step forward and shine again at the very end.
I read them all. I think I liked the first book fine, it’s more of a self-contained mystery, which might be better. The aliens are probably most prominent in the second trillogy; there’s loads of them and I quite like the Commons of Jijo.
I feel like the series is sort of missing pieces? Like, across the five books it is in, WTF was going on with Streaker’s discovery is never really explained, the whole the-galactics-aren’t-being-honest-with-us thread is never satisfyingly resolved in the whole series, and at several points in the chronology it feels like there could have been a whole book about the stuff that happened since the last book.
The whole series is An Aesop on how science is good. Which is fine, doing science is good and you can spend a series reminding people of that if you would like. But it’s strange to find that as the point of a series that otherwise seems to have all these frankly conservative ideas about colonizing space planets and about some people being just inherently more or less “uplifted” than others. Uplift seems to stand in for a person’s moral value without what I would consider sufficient critique. Like, paternalism is bad when the galactics do it, but when humans just have full power over a dolphin person’s entire life that’s fine somehow, you need it to do Uplift, the thing the books are about. The whole Uplift concept has unavoidable parallels to European notions of “civilizing” people by using military force to make them act more like Europeans, which I don’t think are fully examined.
I also remember them as having weird 1980s gender ideas in them, like the men are normal and the women are viewed through some weird filter and the other gender humans are entirely absent.
I think there are more interesting books to read about the structure of minds and the diversity of subjective experience. For example, https://www.gregegan.net/DIASPORA/01/Orphanogenesis.html only comes out a year after Heaven’s Reach, and also has all sorts of weird aliens, but it additionally has defensible gender politics and a much more cogent thesis on autonomy and what the powers of science may or must be used to do. Or, https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250210982/ahalfbuiltgarden is all about what happens when galactic society arrives to save the humans, and the humans maybe finally don’t need saving.
I tried starting Sundiver twice and couldn’t get into it. Uplifting is not particularly interesting to me though. It is the “look ma’, aliens” loophole IMO. I don’t know of a compelling reason for that kind of bioengineering. I think the future is biotech.
All 3 books in the first uplift series work fine as stand-alone stories. But book 1 (Sundiver) does kinda read like a prequel to the rest of the series. The inciting incident of Startide Rising is what sets everything else in motion for all subsequent books, and Sundiver takes place before that. But it does have a bunch of world building that is helpful context for the other books (and is still a fun story).
I recommend you read Startide Rising first, then circle back to Sundiver if you are enjoying the world and the author’s style.
Read one, wasn’t bad. My main objection is that the Uplifted species are too humanish. If I read what a character was thinking, there wasn’t a lot of difference between the chimps and the dolphins.
I’d suggest Poul Anderson for old school ‘Star Trek’ vibes. “War Of The Wingmen” and “Trader To The Stars” feature a much smarter version of Harry Mudd, a human merchant who wheels and deals with all sorts of aliens.
Adrian Tchaikovsky “Children Of Time” posits a future where a tiny handful of Earth ships have gone out to try and terraform various exoplanets. These uplifted species are way, way different from the humans and each other.
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