heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

Can anyone decently explain to me why people are so fixated on assigning a gender to someone?

Why is that important?

You wanna address them? "Hey [whatever the person told you they want to be called]"

You weren't told how to address them? "Excuse me: I'm Andreas, What's your name?"

They don't tell you? Have you considered that they probably don't want to talk to you?

https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/3RDQ97768tt28Tk321

trimethylpentan,
@trimethylpentan@norden.social avatar

@heiglandreas in this case, it's advertising.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@trimethylpentan Again: why is it important?

Unless you are not doing advertisement but manipulation....

trimethylpentan,
@trimethylpentan@norden.social avatar

@heiglandreas

Advertisement and manipulation are the same thing.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@trimethylpentan No they aren't. Otherwise there wouldn't be two different words for it.

But that might be the problem...

When Marketing people say advertisement they mean manipulation.

sarah,
@sarah@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas names can easily communicate gender for usage of pronouns but it’s never rude to ask someone “what pronouns do you use?”

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@sarah the thing in question was not about pronouns but gender...

And - please correct me when I'm wrong - I always considered them to not necessarily have to "overlap"...

And most of the time the gener is only "relevant" for marketing departments so they now what things to try to sell you. Which is rude!

sarah,
@sarah@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas absolutely agree.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@sarah And for example "Andrea" is usually considered male in italy while female in germany. So context matters. I consider trying to guess the gender or pronouns from a name a bad habit...

sarah,
@sarah@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas you know, you’re right.

Sydney is both, so is Ryan in America.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@sarah That is one of the things that I would never implement when asked for it. I rather quit than work for a company where Marketing is more important than the right to not have to reveal my gender!

Thanks for raising that point in your talk yesterday!

maccath,
@maccath@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas @sarah I made this mistake once when I addressed a lawyer as Ms Surname in an email because I assumed their name was feminine, when it was literally the common Welsh version of unambiguously masculine John. I used Ms to avoid assuming martial status, but it never occurred to me they were Mr. Ever since, I only refer to people by the name they give me. 😂

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

And if it is important (Leave that decission to the person in question): Have you considered ... asking?

They still don't tell you? Seems they don't think it is important. Perhaps you should talk to your Marketing department and tell them that it is none of their business what gender someone is!

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