@molly0xfff Same. Getting fucking tedious. I get the concerns of people on Mastodon side about the whole opt-in/out stuff but some is over the top. At the samie time the traffic Bluesky side on this is pretty fucking juvenile.
@molly0xfff@thomasfuchs Honestly I think it's bluesky that goes after the users more, mastodon tends to direct its fear and loathing at the owners. (and poor snarfed)
@molly0xfff@thomasfuchs I agree. I have a Friendica server that gets Bluesky content (but doesn't distribute it to fediverse at large) and I'm kinda pissed at the over the top takes of what Mastodon/AP fediverse is like over there. Pissing me off.
@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff@thomasfuchs So I remembered on Twitter back in the day the claim that federating with another server means that users on both servers technically had access to each other's DMs, and while I'm not 100% of the validity of that, it could be that their user profile information is shared with another entity.
And had they wanted Bluesky to have it, they would've...made an account there.
And vice versa for Bluesky accounts not making a Mastodon account.
@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff@thomasfuchs The same issue with Threads - all of a sudden, Facebook can do more than shadow-profile people who have accounts on Mastodon because of the federation with Threads.
@AT1ST@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff They can already read all your public posts, like everyone else with Internet access… because they’re on the Internet already.
@AT1ST@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff The utmost you can do on social network is to do private/mentions only posts, but that’s more of a guideline for people and not guaranteed security.
Literally the only private thing is using end-to-end encryption which some services offer (both free & open source and commercial implementations exist).
@AT1ST@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff There’s no DMs on either Mastodon or Bluesky; if you mean “mentions only” posts, no one can read those but you and your server administrators.
@thomasfuchs@grumpasaurus@molly0xfff Fair enough, but that as I understand means that "mentions only" posts between two federated servers shares the reading capabilities to the administrators of both servers for posts in both directions?
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Oh man I literally keep forgetting (because I never use my bsky account) that bsky doesn't even pretend to do DMs. (Or maybe they pretend now.)
It does bemuse me to almost no end that people still believe DMs exist on Fedi. If I can ever be arsed to up my gif game I'm gonna make one of Morpheus in the dojo that says "You think that's a DM you're reading?"
not saying there’s no bigots on fedi, but they’re relatively easy to defederate, whole instances at a time, and they’re not even trying to go for a narrative that frames them as “the” network. or maybe they do, I wouldn’t know, it doesn’t federate over here.
not saying that bsky is all bigots either, but they’re effectively centralized and with that comes some, y’know, responsibility for proper moderation. as long as it’s not an actual network with effective large-scale moderation tools available for the users themselves, it’s on them. and they’re fucking it up.
no, this is not “them just wanting to enjoy their platform the way they like”, for whatever definition of “them”, as long as it includes bigots.
no, “just spend your time and energy blocking bigots one by one” is not the answer, it’s the same sort of shit as twitter after musk.
there’s a few more proposed “solutions” like this, or very perplexed “why don’t you just” questions in this thread already that are likewise not well thought-out to say it lightly, but this will have to suffice as an answer to them:
sometimes there’s a little bit more nuance and reason behind things like this “hate”. such as fundamental differences between the motives of “hate” either side has. try looking for it instead of trivializing and equating them.
I’m truly puzzled to see that coming from someone who just had the entire substack experience.
@thomasfuchs@molly0xfff ok, yeah, my sarcasm detector must be completely miscalibrated by too much discussion of transphobic shite on my timeline, most of it coming from bsky. just got tired of it well beyond a shitposting mood. apologies for the noise.
normally I stick to lists and avoid the main feed/boosts entirely, made the mistake of looking at it a few too many times today.
seen a few instances of an actual brainfart moment by someone who’s normally pretty damn aware of things, too, so no “wait, this can’t be for real” got triggered fast enough.
oh well.
(had no idea about specifics of molly’s identity beyond “some sort of queer”, btw. generally not digging beyond what others clearly put on their profiles.)
I don't hate #bsky, but they are in Stage 1 of #enshittification. They just got loads of venture capital & they are spending it like crazy to attract enough people for stage 2.
The VCs will always, always demand their money back. So, once they get people established on the platform, they will be monetized and milked for profit. Eventually, there will be Nazis and ads there.
We will be ad-free, and continue to banish our Nazis to purgatory away from polite discourse.
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