evan, (edited )
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Which of Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms is your favourite?

#EvanPoll #poll

alakest,
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@evan Clarence Thomas and those folks meeting up in Bohemian Grove have some "discard of care" ceremony.

Anyone think that's like "Freedom from Want", or, more likely, some omerta-ish jumping-in ritual?

evan,
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Nice! Thanks to everyone who voted.

I said "freedom from want”.

albertcardona,
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@evan

Gala — "Freed from desire"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3l7fgvrEKM

"Want more and more
People want more and more
But it is love
That they're looking for"

dneary,
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@albertcardona @evan Her lover might not have money, but he has his strombolies.

Chigaze,

@evan I figure freedom from want has the most potential to take of the other three too.

schtobia,

@evan I've grown up during the 80ies in a country that a. neighbored the Iron Curtain and b. was an explicit target for nuclear weapons from both sides. So… yeah, "freedom from fear" sounds like the most wonderful thing ever.

alakest,
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@evan <shakes head>

If you can't speak (and hear) — have freedom of speech — how long can the other freedoms be maintained?

What is the value of these freedoms if they are not afforded to all?

This makes freedom of speech unique among the four - it is the only mutual freedom.

You could have all you desire while others starve around you.

You could worship [thing/being] while everyone around you is sanctioned.

You could stride fearless among quaking peers.

Any of that satisfying?

michaelcoyote,
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@evan i think they all work together.

evan,
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mpjgregoire,
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@evan Freedom of religion is the most fundamental, because it means a person can think and believe whatever she wants. There are — and must be — restrictions on what people do and even say, but thoughts should always be free, never be punishable by the state.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVc0wBLri1A&pp=ygUWZGllIGdlZGFua2VuIHNpbmQgZnJlaQ%3D%3D

Brendanjones,
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@evan I posit the thesis that the vote counts are in order of how much we still don’t have that thing. So freedom of worship has the least votes because everyone feels pretty safe in their freedom of religion, whereas fear and want are still prevalent.

erispoe,

@Brendanjones @evan More and more people just don't have a religion. That's the freedom that applies to the least number of people. Not everyone "worships".

Brendanjones,
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@erispoe @evan Same same ;) Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion, so it still applies to everyone.

michaelcoyote,
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@Brendanjones @erispoe @evan that's how I read it too.

dfrancis,
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@evan Only a person can free themselves from fear or want. The government can't give you that. Freedom of speech or worship, yes.

spinner,

@evan fear is a natural human emotion. This is lovely confirmation that most people are utterly disconnected from reality. A life without fear is a life that lacks value.

When the Earth is burning and you can no longer remember your name, remember that we chose this outcome.

simon_brooke,
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@evan It's notable that the US has delivered neither freedom from want nor freedom from fear. Indeed, it's never even tried to.

seanbala,
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@evan

Really tough. I really wanted to go with Freedom of Worship but Freedom from Fear won out.

There was a great series from @BBCRadio4 presenting the William Reith Lectures on these. My favorite was former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams' lecture on Freedom of Worship. His take is quite nuanced. Always erudite and engaging, he could make a telephone directory into something epic and profound.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001fw1l

alakest,
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@evan Without freedom of speech how could you coordinate with others to ensure any of the other freedoms have not been compromised?

md,

@evan
I like to wrap them all up into the 1st Amendment.

jeremy_pm,
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@evan
Freedom from fear for me, it trumps, pun intended, all the other freedoms. Freedom of fear includes persecution of faith, speech and poverty.

sysop,

@evan Freedom from fear, to me, has always implied the others. So.... that one. :)

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