@atomicpoet Look, I'm a Twitter migrant, and I am ECSTATIC that people on Mastodon are talking about the rest of the Fediverse. People are smarter than those "only talk about Mastodon" folks give them credit for.
@atomicpoet it would be neat to have activetypub itself be a bit more organized and an active agent equal to the matrix protocol. Activetypub havent done a whole lot of advocating for itself.
But the matrix modell is also pretty stellar and ideal. Not all things can be as fortunate.
Matrix/element is probably more successfull than activetypub when focusing on how it is incoroporated in businesses, commercialization and involvement in public infrastructure.
@atomicpoet I was under the impression that Nostr and BlueSky had somehow federated even with the difference in protocol because I saw Jack posting in Nostr. But upon looking again I see Jack is not at a bluesky domain. I am likely mistaken.
@atomicpoet mastodon is so much of the fediverse a court might break it up under anti-monopoly laws. 🫢 seriously I think 70% is way to high and there should be primarily investment in other AP tools and apps.
@rabble This is true, and it’s also why I talk about other projects and goad people into trying them out.
One source of friction is lack of nomadic identity. I hope people who work on the Fediverse get serious about this because if Bluesky is actually serious about decentralization, this is something that could be their killer feature.
CalcKey having the ability to migrate posts seems already imo a killer feature within the Fediverse which encourages me at least to look at moving over from Mastodon
As I start to think about the likely need to have multiple accounts, the immediate thing I sense is I'd prefer to have an over-arching Fediverse identity ... is this what you mean by "nomadic identity"?
Just musing but a master identity that can span servers and accounts and say CalcKey and PixelFeed and (for example) Tumblr in future? A kind of Fediverse single sign-on SSO that also contains one's server accounts too
Is this what's in your mind, or do you see it differently?
@atomicpoet one of the things which has proved so powerful with nostr is precisely this. The ability to easily use lots of apps, full and micro, is so powerful.
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I think we're all saying the same idea, and that it's important
Doesn't it need a central repository/server if only for that nomadic identity though, plus central data ownership and governance => a Fediverse Council?
@atomicpoet@Natasha_Jay that’s part of it but the other is to have end to end encryption without having to trust the server. And to carry message types that the server doesn’t know how to handle.
@atomicpoet There is really no hard dependence in Fediverse as long as instances (running different software) can federate. Yes, Mastodon gets a lot of attention because it offers experience similar to birdsite, but Fediverse is like e-mail - nobody is forced to use Gmail 😁
@atomicpoet Yes and talking to your #local neighbor with your mouth next to using Mastodon also increases diversity in commumication means while it reduces the external dependencies and decentralizes serving the information with a built-in maximum follower count.
It matters where we have a voice.
The blind community could start the trend, providing tutorials, audio demos, etc. Unfortunately, many of us do not like change.
If there was a Peer Tube instance for random content that was like for TTS skits or for technology stuff (similar to Odysee), I'd be all over it!
Or I'd make my own, instance for my own stuff, providing it was easy enough to do.
@atomicpoet Not sure I fully understand. I’m very happy to be here on Mastodon from Twitter. What worries me is the very hard problem of censorship of toots who’s content is racist or in other ways unacceptable eg Nazi, homophobic, misogynist, intolerant of lgbt etc etc. I fear success in terms of attracting people here from Twitter, there are many I can think of who I would like, will also attract a group with a different attitude to the one that currently seems dominant here. But no, I don’t wish for an echo chamber either. That’s what I call a hard problem and I’m not sure this helps.
@atomicpoet No, but there should be some agreed means of interaction, even if it's just a hyperlink support. Some contextual information would be nice as well.
@atomicpoet Takes like that just frustrate the hell out of me. It's an ecologically incoherent view. We should be FAR more concerned about the #Fediverse becoming a #Mastodon monoculture. & in any case, in order to function as a distributed "twitter replacement", the Fediverse DESPERATELY NEEDS the specialized networks of servers that are springing up for e.g. media.
I myself still need to find a good friendica instance, just to have one. If anything, mainly just to have as a secondary to here. Unless I make my own., depending on how difficult it is to do.
I agree with you here, there are many different services, so by talking about the fediverse generally we don't imply there is no other solution. We perhaps want people to be on fedi in their own way, so if you want to post pictures daily, you can set an account on Pixelfed, and federate, interaction is still possible.
I got the impression we were never out to destroy mainstream social media, we are here to provide an alternative for people, The way things are going mainstream social media will destory itself, twitter has a headstart, the metaverse seems to have stalled, some people are wising up to data collection,tracking, data sale etc and look to us.
@atomicpoet Seems odd... like they don't fully comprehend what Mastodon and ActivityPub are.. Half the point of a shared protocol is to be able to access it any way you want. I don't even understand what "focus on Mastodon" means given there are so many independent instances of Mastodon itself, and many are using their own fork of it with dramatic changes.
@atomicpoet with things like Reddit changing its API access and other sites following Twitter's lead in becoming restrictive to the point of exclusionary we need to promote ALL of the Fediverse not just Mastodon.
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