Sheril,
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We often think of as popular photos, videos, or phrases online.
But the term “meme” was coined by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins to describe a behavior, style or idea as a unit of culture that can spread or disappear. From social movements to religion to Grumpy Cat.
Even though most folks may not be aware of it, we’re sharing a popular concept from , every single day, across .

dukepaaron,
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tomw,
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@dukepaaron @Sheril Can't see his picture without thinking of the honey incident. Which in its way proves the power of memes

dukepaaron,
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@tomw @Sheril PRINCIPLE NOT HONEY! PRINCIPLE! 😆

benny,
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  • tomw,
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    Infrapink,

    @Sheril THANK YOU!

    jhavok,
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    @Sheril It's the difference between a [meem] and a [me-me]

    engravecavedave,
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    @Sheril Memes are basically inside jokes on a societal scale

    edheil,
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    @Sheril I didn't think of Dawkins's "memes" so much as "science," it's just an idea he came up with, it's not a field of study with experiments or findings. Just an analogy, "what if genes burn in culture instead of biology?"

    It was helpful for clever atheists to explain religion though, you see, it's a MEMETIC MIND VIRUS that the sheep are INFECTED WITH, that's just SCIENCE

    grimpen,
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    @Sheril I get that Dawkins is out of his lane, since this is more properly Sociology or Cultural Anthropology, but using the meme/gene analogy implies a taxonomy of memes. An internet image meme is kind of like a biological virus that requires a host meme-infrastructure to propagate, so I kind of find the modern usage of meme a useful, of informal concept.

    Annaspanner,
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    @Sheril BUUUT he’s a transphobe so let’s not give him credit

    groms,

    @Sheril so where is the selfish meme?

    PeteM,

    @Sheril The DNA of the soul.

    palvaro,
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    @Sheril pop science

    kinyutaka,
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    @Sheril

    Repeated lines from movies, earworm songs, that "Super S" thing we all drew in school, all memes.

    magnus,

    @Sheril
    I've been fighting the common use of the word meme for years.

    I'm also trying to make all native English speakers understand that they are using the word "egregious" wrong. Listen to me!

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/egregio
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/egr%C3%A9gio
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/egregius

    Nonya_Bidniss,
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    @Sheril When was Dawkins credited with this? Because I recall reading about memes in Douglas Hofstadter's book Metamagical Themas in the 1980s. I had thought Hofstadter had come up with it first.

    MartyFouts,
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    @Sheril it’s a good example of bad science popularization evolving as it enters popular culture.

    Narayoni,
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    @Sheril personally, this concept of memes makes complete sense to me. Also, if I remember right, this idea was touched upon in one episode of The Big Bang Theory.

    independentpen,
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    @Sheril
    I have an old blog post that references "something I've heard called a 'meme'" which is very funny to reread nowadays

    richardgrant,
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    @Sheril I think one might argue that Dawkins' concept of "meme" might be, itself, an example of a failed meme: a unit of culture that has declined to near-extinction.

    "Meme" today means exactly what people think it means when they use it — that's more or less how language works. "Meme" in Dawkins' sense has almost no active currency, aside from occasional historical reminders (such as this post). Maybe it's still a useful concept, maybe not — but I wouldn't call it science.

    jens,
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    @richardgrant @Sheril That would assume that "funniness" cannot be a selection criterion by which the meme propagates.

    normen,
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    @richardgrant I think thats wrong and the whole internet uses the term exactly like Dawkins intended. Memes (as in internet memes) don't work if they are about e.g. just one person or one experience - they have to be an actual Meme (as in Dawkins Meme) to work universally and go viral. @Sheril

    independentpen,
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    @richardgrant
    I agree that coining a word is not science, and that "meme" today is exactly what it sounds like; also I find it interesting to ponder the original word as an example of a failed version of its own concept. But I don't think it's actually failed. The original still exists usefully (I think of it all the time), if not popularly. And it did create the pop version, which does still express the original concept faithfully, functionally
    @Sheril

    richardgrant,
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    @independentpen @Sheril Truth to tell, I completely agree with this.

    TheMetalDog,
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    jhilden,
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    @Sheril the critical discussion around the concept and whether it is useful or valid is interesting as well. It is certainly possible to draw a meme picture like this

    tess,
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    @jhilden @Sheril I see the linguists have entered the fray!

    crcordray,
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    @Sheril very cool

    Itty53,
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    @Sheril

    Shoutout to Neal Stephenson and Snow Crash, who was trying to warn us of the existence of viral and malignant memes back in 1992.

    dec23k,

    @Itty53 @Sheril
    "This Snow Crash thing -- is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?"
    Juanita shrugs. "What's the difference?"

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