Wow, hey, I totally missed this! But... I don't seem to be able to follow @barackobama. Is that because he didn't opt in to sharing his posts with the Fediverse? Or is it because my server is located outside of the US?
@barney@fediversenews It’s because mas.to has de-federated Threads. If you want to follow him or Joe Biden, you’ll need to migrate to a server that federates with Threads.
Thank you for explaining. I guess this was an ethical decision on my admin's part.
I should probably study others' arguments on the ethics of allowing Meta to federate, before I reach a firm conclusion on how I feel about it. I see that Threads' federation is currently one-way, and that seems sleazy to me.
@barney@fediversenews Threads federation is in beta. Two way federation is coming soon.
My argument for federation is that people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden use Threads—and there’s nothing you and I can do to change that. It’s better that they’re on the Fediverse than not. Them being here is a win for the Fediverse.
If you don’t like most of Threads, your server could instead opt for limited federation which would allow you to follow people on Threads but not allow random posts from Threads to land on your Home feed.
@atomicpoet@barney@fediversenews
I think we might be able to change that, eventually, with some sort of petition. Hence why I posted a rough draft of a petition the other day..
@barney@atomicpoet@fediversenews It's actually because your instance admin decided that you don't have a vote on whether or not the instance federates with threads.
AKA, your instance is blocking threads "for you"....🤦♂️
Well, I'm only beginning to dip my toe into the issues here, but... my admin spends a lot of their own time and money running my instance, and they don't even charge me for using it. I choose to make donations, but they don't require or even know that I do. So, from their perspective, my account is nothing but a burden for them.
That being the case, I don't think they really owe me a vote on how they handle Threads. Of course I'm free to migrate if I want.
@TheTomas@fediversenews Not a closed community because I’m receiving his posts right here. Whether you like it or not, Threads is now part of the Fediverse.
@atomicpoet@fediversenews Well. try to switch instances from Mastodon to Threads and see. And as far as I know in Threads you cannot see answers from Mastodon or other federated services. There is aswell a 5 Min-Grace-Period time until posts are pushed to Fediverse and many more minor and major issues.
@TheTomas@fediversenews Why would I switch instances from Mastodon when I’m not on Mastodon?
Regarding responses from Mastodon to Threads, we already know that federation with Threads is in beta, and that functionality is coming later. Nevertheless, not a dealbreaker for me.
As for a 5 minute grace period, so what? There’s lots of “minor and major issues” with all Fediverse software, including Mastodon.
What's interesting to me, as someone who's generally critical of the state of the fedi, is that I think atomicpoet is right, it is a part of the fediverse, but I think TheTomas's general point is also important, which is whether there should be a base threshold of inter-functionality to be considered a part of the fediverse.
Because merely receiving posts isn't far beyond RSS and the fedi, AFAICT, likes to (& should) think of itself as more than that too.
@maegul@TheTomas@fediversenews Threads ain’t glorified RSS either because Threads users count likes and boosts from the rest of the Fediverse.
Comments to Threads isn’t being received yet, but we already know that’s coming.
Now I don’t believe that any software should be obligated to receive comments – and I’ve believed that even before Threads joined the Fediverse. One of my consistent complaints about the Fediverse has been lack of comment controls, and how it’s near-impossible to reject replies. So far, the only server software that has good comment controls is Streams by @mikedev. Almost all other software doesn’t even have it as an option.
To me, the one and only base threshold of inter-functionality is some sort of adoption federation, preferably ActivityPub. But even ActivityPub is negotiable to me.
I guess I represent a generation that experienced Microsofts' EEE very well in the 90ies. Threads is nothing like that. With it's mass of Mio accounts I consider Thread as a threat.
@TheTomas@maegul@fediversenews I hate Outlook and think it’s from the bowels of hell. And yet, I would never say it has nothing to do with email. I doubt you would say otherwise either.
The important thing is that people have the ability to federate (or not) with whomever they want. Having that choice is a giant step from not having any choice. I'm a browser war veteran and I'm treating Threads with caution -- and always have a plan 'B'. Incidentally I developed this plan 'B' because of EEE tactics pursued by Mastodon, not Meta.
Fighting a closed community by closing your community means they've already won. I've been working on the fediverse a very long time. We have weapons and tactics you aren't even aware of.
@TheTomas@atomicpoet@fediversenews that there are issues to resolve in a brand new service isn’t exactly surprising. That doesn’t mean they are not part of the Fediverse
@atomicpoet That's really cool to see so many people join the Fediverse. Sad it's through Threads but will hopefully put the Fediverse into the eyes of more people.
@atomicpoet@fediversenews Too bad that thread still cannot see replies from other instances on the Fediverse, so for now it is still RSS mode ON :thisisfine:
@atomicpoet@fediversenews
Even the EU and BBC themselves are more willing to have their own instances and learn about Fediverse than Obama, since one can just enable Threads which their Instagram account.
Also I blocked Threads personally so I cannot see him now
@natsume_shokogami@atomicpoet@fediversenews Putting aside the “read-only” mode for @threads.net accounts, fediverse integration is opt-in, so they kinda did something to have their content available for us in the fediverse. I say is a good start.
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