Bluesky and AT protocol

fediversereport,
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New: Last Month in #bluesky

The news:

  • Jack Dorsey has left the board of Bluesky
  • DMs have arrived on, in a basic implementation so far
  • New roadmaps for the app and the protocol
  • The timeline for applying #atproto to formal standards body is pushed back until more independent active projrects have been build

Read at: https://fediversereport.com/last-month-in-bluesky-may-2024/

kyonshi,
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So there's a bluesky bridge right now, but it doesn't really work that well does it?

I mean, it doesn't do boosts and comments, does it?

#bluesky

Tim_Eagon,
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@kyonshi It does, but you don't get the full experience unless the account you're interacting with on the other side is also bridged.

kyonshi,
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@Tim_Eagon well then let's see

CodeMacLife,
@CodeMacLife@allthingstech.social avatar

I logged into my Bluesky account this morning to see what was going on with the platform (and to post a blog link). Most of the people who I follow haven’t posted in months, others have deleted their accounts completely.

Is Bluesky a dying social media platform?

niclake,
@niclake@mastodon.social avatar

@CodeMacLife it seems to be the parking spot for all the video game journalists I followed, but that’s it.

tomkindlon,
@tomkindlon@disabled.social avatar

In case of interest, I’ve recently passed 1000 followers on:

This is from posting pretty much solely on #MECFS , #LongCovid and related conditions and to a lesser extent chronic illness in general, which shows it is possible to build up followings on them, in case people either gave up on them or never tried.

@longcovid @mecfs

KitMuse,
@KitMuse@eponaauthor.social avatar

@tomkindlon @longcovid @mecfs As someone with #fibromyalgia I find that we're mostly forgotten in the chronic illness community. While I would love to connect more, I have stopped talking about it because it's considered the "hysteria" of the modern era. I have some unique theories on what caused mine. But there is a much larger community around some illnesses than others.

ahimsa_pdx,
@ahimsa_pdx@disabled.social avatar

@JohanDiederik

Getting a larger number of followers is helpful when you're trying to provide information about an illness (ME/CFS, myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome) that affects millions of people but is still not very well known. ME/CFS is often is not even taught in medical schools.

An advocacy campaign called "Teach M.E., Treat M.E." is trying to correct this problem:

https://www.meaction.net/2024/05/17/teachmetreatme-celebrating-an-impactful-campaign/

@tomkindlon

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

traffic tonight:

Zorion,
@Zorion@mastodont.cat avatar

@mackuba why was that? Is it because of Trump?

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Zorion yeah

wjmaggos,
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Has any company seemed cool but also took VC money and didn't eventually enshitify? #BlueSky

mpjgregoire,
@mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca avatar

@wjmaggos Eazel took VC money, created a great free software program, then ran out of money and shut down. Nautilus lives on!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazel

Seth,
@Seth@bdx.town avatar

J’ai jeté un œil à Bluesky (vu qu’apparemment c’est trop woke pour Jack)

Alors oui c’est super simple (centralisation oblige) et y’a des bonnes idées :

  • personnaliser l’ordre d’affichage des réponses (chrono ou anté chrono)
  • bloquer par défaut les players externes (youtube, spotify…)
  • masquer son compte aux gens non connectés

MAIS.

Ben c’est vide. Au moins autant qu’ici. La seule diff c’est que quand t’arrives l’algo te pousse du contenu. Alors qu’ici ta TL principale est VRAIMENT vide.

Je me dis que si c’est un des freins à l’adoption (en plus du choix de serveur) il suffirait de charger la TL locale voire la fédérée par défaut à la création d’un compte.

Ou mieux peut-être, un message qui dit “votre home est vide pour le moment, mais viendez dehors c’est animé”

#Bluesky #Fediverse

thisismissem,
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

So, kinda like mentioned people only posts, ish.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@thisismissem Well, with the added feature that you can't accidentally add someone to the conversation by mentioning them in a private message, like in Mastodon's mentioned people only posts ;)

mackuba,
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@josh @thisismissem They definitely want to use some existing solution (they've mentioned MLS), but it will take a lot of time to research and implement and test properly, and they wanted to have something in the meantime because a lot of people want it and they want it now

fenarinarsa, (edited )
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DMs are now available on Bluesky.

They're temporarily centralized to give some time to the devs to create a decentralized encrypted DM system.

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@Rathmox Le but c'est de l'intégrer à AT protocol et d'utiliser le même protocole pour faire les comptes privés. Je pense que s'ils avaient choisi XMPP ils l'auraient déjà implémenté :)

Rathmox,
@Rathmox@shelter.moe avatar

@fenarinarsa effectivement

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

#Bluesky launched DMs! 👀 (not federated or encrypted yet, just a v1) https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kt3y33tk4w2m

Took them like a month to build it all from start to finish :0

Ciantic,
@Ciantic@twit.social avatar

@mackuba and is on by default from people you follow, which means abuse is way smaller.

How they built it is simple but effective for their user base which doesn't care about federation.

mackuba,
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@Ciantic Yeah, and the UI parts at least can mostly be reused when they implement some better version later

arnie_dxer, Polish
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Whoa I can now send DMs on #Bluesky 💬 🔥 ❤️

Krustinaut, German
@Krustinaut@sueden.social avatar

Einen #Crossposter von hier zu #Bluesky, gibt es da was brauchbares?

glynmoody,
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The ‘vote Trump’ spam that hit in May came from decentralized rival - https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/21/the-vote-trump-spam-that-hit-bluesky-in-may-came-from-decentralized-rival-nostr/ fascinating stuff

fabiocosta0305,
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@glynmoody #nostr that thought they could be better than Scuttlebutt

glynmoody,
@glynmoody@mastodon.social avatar

@fabiocosta0305 yes, interesting development

notizie, Italian

<a class="invalid-href" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" title="Protocollo collegamento non valido">L'aggiornamento di Ryan Barret sul bridge con Bluesky</a>

@fediverso

Di seguito il post di @snarfed.org@snarfed.org che dimostra una non comune efficacia nella più trasparente comunicazione dello sviluppo e aggiornamento del bridge tra #Fediverso e #bluesky

Tempo di aggiornamento dello stato del Bridgy Fed! Sono state un paio di settimane impegnative. Sono felice di riferire che ho fatto notevoli progressi su tre dei miei quattro obiettivi dell'ultima volta (affidabilità, ritardi e bug) e ho migliorato una serie di altre cose lungo il percorso. Ecco un esempio:

  • Modificato Bluesky => fediverso dal polling al firehose . Ciò lo ha reso molto meno traballante e ha ridotto il ritardo di 5-15 m a pochi secondi.
  • Risolto il problema con fediverse => Bluesky rimaneva bloccato per molti account. Ho preso alcune scorciatoie nella mia infrastruttura Bluesky e sono tornate a mordermi. C'è ancora del lavoro da fare, ma i problemi visibili agli utenti dovrebbero essere in gran parte risolti.
  • Vari problemi con la ricerca degli account bot, il loro seguito e l'avvio del bridge .
    Immagini fisse in Bluesky => post fediverse.
    Implementata l'eliminazione dei post, Bluesky => fediverse. (Fediverse => Bluesky stava già funzionando.)
  • Risolto il problema relativo al bridging delle risposte in entrambe le direzioni.
  • Risolti collegamenti , menzioni e hashtag , in entrambe le direzioni . Ancora alcuni pezzi rotti qui, in particolare i riferimenti a Bluesky => fediverse, ma per il resto ora dovrebbero essere molto migliori.
  • Primo passaggio al filtraggio dello spam.

A parte le manichette antincendio, un'area degna di nota su cui non mi sono ancora concentrato è l'infrastruttura . Finora la scalabilità è ok, ma potrebbe essere molto migliore e molto più efficiente. Dovrò lavorarci su presto. Se noti che passa un po' di tempo senza molti miglioramenti visibili all'utente, probabilmente è proprio quello che sta succedendo.

Altrimenti, grazie per tutti i feedback, le domande e le segnalazioni di bug ! Per favore, continuate a farli arrivare. Come sempre, puoi seguire l' etichetta now in GitHub per vedere su cosa mi sto concentrando. Ci vediamo sul ponte!

brianvastag,
@brianvastag@sciencemastodon.com avatar

Deleted my account. Turning into another fucking twitter over there.

vegos_f06,

@brianvastag J. Dorsey left!

hcj,
@hcj@fosstodon.org avatar

I am no longer bridging my accounts to

I have done this for 2 reasons:

  • The inability to delete posts
  • The inability to access your bridged account

Instead of bridging my accounts I will be cross-posting my stuff between and

Cheesealicious,
@Cheesealicious@snaggletooth.life avatar

I'm thinking of checking out now that dorsey left, but I can't find a list of bluesky servers/instances. Is the federation feature too new? I just don't wanna do bluesky.social because I don't want the bs of being in a mainstream instance.

mackuba,
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@Cheesealicious There's also no such thing as "The Algorithm" on Bluesky like on Twitter/Threads. There is instead a system where anyone can built their own "feeds" that pick posts using any filter or algorithm, and there's something like 50k of them right now. You can follow and pin any of them, and now you can even replace the default "Following" feed with some feed that you like.

mackuba,
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@Cheesealicious So, on the Fediverse, the instance is your community, your handle, hosts your data, does moderation for you and serves a web UI.

On , you use bsky.app (or 3rd party app) as the UI, host data on the PDS, use any domain as the handle, subscribe to some number of selected moderation services, and use search, hashtags and custom feeds to find interesting content and people.

Rusty,
@Rusty@cubhub.social avatar

I have a question about BlueSky :blobfoxthinkgoogly:​

So the point of BlueSky is to try to simulate a centralized social media platform with decentralized hardware, right? So, like, what's the incentive to hosting your own BlueSky servers? I can see having a single-user repository for your own data, but there's no reason to host anyone else's personal data, right? :confused_dog:​

With Mastodon, the incentive to host a server comes from the fact that servers are smaller, tighter-knit communities, so hosting your server comes with building a community. What's the incentive on BlueSky?

lupomancer,
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@Rusty I’m not sure, I honestly thought we’d get customizations like we have here on Mastodon, but it looks like that’s not the case.

Maybe we just don’t have the full picture yet, atproto is still being developed so maybe it’ll become clearer as more applications are spun up using the standard.

I think the federation is more for that use case, like people could make tumblr clones or run their blog off the atproto and people could follow those updates within BSKY

davidbisset,
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At this point, if you go to just to document bad things happening to that particular social network or to report back to what people on a social network say about people here… I envy the time you have at your disposal.

bobmagicii,
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@davidbisset for real i barely have enough time to make fun of the people here, yet alone a 2nd network.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

I sometimes wonder how things would've looked on if the first beta had been ready just 6 months earlier, if all those people who left Twitter for Mastodon could have gone there…

I've just checked the hashtag feed for and apparently there were 19 posts in total… (and 9 of those from me) 😕

pshadov,
@pshadov@mas.to avatar

@mackuba but what about :D

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@pshadov … you know what… I haven't actually checked, because I assumed it would be just Taylor Swift, but there's actually quite a lot of relevant posts on apparently 😄

fenarinarsa,
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Bluesky now allows you to unpin or even remove the default "Following" feed and make any other custom feed the default one.

The "Following" feed is the chronological one by Bluesky but there's thousands of other custom algorithmic feeds created by other users and generated by federated third party servers.

axx,
@axx@mstdn.fr avatar

@fenarinarsa So this is happening. It was a goal of Bluesky and the AT protocol, and it is becoming a reality, which is neat.

fenarinarsa,
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@axx yup federated feeds has been a reality since almost a year.
Now everything else is federated, including moderation.

Other apps have been built on ATproto as well
https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

And there’s also a bridge between ATproto and ActivityPub
https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

fediversereport,
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New: Video, audio and blogging: Japanese is building in the ATmosphere

I take a look at 3 new products build on

Blogging with whtwnd.com
Video with bluemotion.app
Audio spaces with bluecast.app

Read at: https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

seanbala,
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@fediversereport Thank you for sharing. It is exciting to see what is happening! I think your point at the end is really worth considering: is and the interested in multiple apps or is it merely a vehicle for microblogging? I don't have technical background, but I suspect that the decentralization for BSKY is more for show than practice. Critique all we like but I do think the commitment to platform diversity is there and is practiced.

maegul,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@seanbala @fediversereport

There are problems here too. I suspect this is a fundamental issue that decentralised social media hasn’t taken seriously enough. It’s a bit like back and front end people not working together well. Protocol people can be inclined to underestimate the importance of what happens in the client, which IMO is where federation actually happens, as it’s there that platforms and UIs need to get stitched together.

I’ve ranted about this before (eg: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112319245679533802)

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

Bridgy Fed: how to enable federation with Bluesky for your account.

https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

I tried to keep it short and simple.

fenarinarsa,
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@Yamakyu Pour une fois que je reçois un badge de MVP XD

Yamakyu,

@fenarinarsa À mon avis t'en mérite d'autres, vu ton dévouement pour aider à naviguer et s'y retrouver dans le post-Twitter :torcat_keur:

migratory, Spanish
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I clicked a toot or whatever they're called and it turns out they've implemented the most critical twitter feature: in-page loading spinners that make you wait several seconds for no fucking reason before you can read less than a kilobyte of text

mackuba,
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@migratory Officially "post", unofficially "skeet" 🙃

kohane,
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