kyonshi, to usenet
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

so after lots of struggling with the #ssh configuration @lkh and me managed to establish #usenet peering between his machine and mine, over #uucp

now we need to get someone to actually deliver news from the wider #usenet to us.

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

@lkh as I said, the idea is simple, getting it working isn't. there are a lot of small working parts that need to be configured right.
like the passwd file needs to have a tab between username and password, where everywhere else a space is enough.
and of course the documentation is spread over at least 20 year old files all over the net.
it's not like many people are enthusiastic about this particular technology (because lets face it, for is superior, for email it's )

malin,
@malin@dice.camp avatar

@kyonshi @lkh what happens when one machine is offline? Does it just try later? Does it record success so it can stop trying?

jpmens, to random German
@jpmens@mastodon.social avatar

Talk to me on Signal on May 29th. Don’t respond when I answer, but do by all means get back to my question on June 6th

Chrissakes, even #UUCP was more bloody efficient.

kyonshi, to usenet
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

still working on the #uucp setup we were doing two weeks ago. I think I am getting to the point where my newsserver is peering with another server over uucp to bring #usenet into our private uucp network.

man are we geeks.

kyonshi, to random
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

I have been spending entirely too much mental energy trying to figure out why my #uucp connections to my own computers don't want to work.
I already managed to mesh with another person's systems, so I really don't know what the issue is... besides using uucp in the first place.

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

by the way, anyone wanna mesh with my #uucp system?

kyonshi, to email
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

trying to get running with @lkh (still!)

now I know why SMTP is called the Simple mail transfer protocol

lkh,
@lkh@social.sdfeu.org avatar

@yeti I think I could set up the VPS to allow anonymous UUCP. Not sure if accessing it by telnet would make sense, since it's really about file transfer.

From an old HOWTO I gather that anonymous uucp used to use login: uucp, password: uucp and people expected to find a file machine!~/INDEX to see what's there.
@kyonshi

lkh,
@lkh@social.sdfeu.org avatar

@yeti back in the day only neighboring systems needed to know how to reach each other. Bang path's took care of the routing across multiple nodes. With modern MTA's having dropped bang path support things seem to be worse. You need to maintain a sys entry for every system you want to be able to reach @kyonshi

kyonshi, to random
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

configuring #uucp with @lkh

sometimes I wonder if maybe we all are a bit too geeky?

jgoerzen, to random
@jgoerzen@floss.social avatar

Today I updated my Docker image to bookworm. https://hub.docker.com/r/jgoerzen/uucp

If you want the more modern with all its encryption goodness, I've also got you covered. https://hub.docker.com/r/jgoerzen/nncp

What am I even talking about? See https://www.complete.org/uucp/ and https://www.complete.org/nncp/

kyonshi, to random
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

damn, now I am thinking about getting myself into #uucp somehow.

kyonshi, to email
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

Reading about uucp news/mail transfers right now I can't find an answer to a question I have on wikipedia: when exactly did the @ notation (user@example.com) become the standard instead of host!intermediate!receiver bang-paths?

Wikipedia is incredibly broad with "in the 1980s"

#email #it #uucp

kyonshi,
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

Now I am wondering: I just set up an nntp newsserver, but do I need that? Couldn't I use a uucp one instead?

Am I that crazy?

lispi314, to usenet

> See, because you need an always-on computer in order to really reliably use #decentralized social media
Bruh. #Usenet, #Fidonet and #UUCP (#UUCPnet) beg to differ (no reason you couldn't use #NNCP for Usenet now if #NNTP isn't your thing).

So do #SSB and #retroshare.

That criticism is pretty much specific to #ActivityPub as commonly implemented.

The #Fediverse is more than just ActivityPub and will outlive it.

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