elCelio, to italy Italian
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and are going to retire soon their combat aircraft Panavia Tornado fleets.

Why aren't they considering to transfer them to Ukraine?

They are similar to F16, and they are also configured to use missiles.


elCelio,
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@amayer of course, but who will provide them?

the countries allied with Ukraine have already committed theirs (#Denmark, #Netherlands, #Norway, #Belgium).

while #Poland and #Romania have only F16s as main aircraft for defense.

the #USA will not provide aircraft, and the other countries in the world with F16, well, they don't care about #Ukraine (except #SouthKorea but they are on another frontline)

#Italy and #Germany #Tornado can be provided faster than #Sweden's #Gripen for example.

osma, to Ukraine
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I have no doubts whatsoever that Sweden's is the best aircraft type for Ukraine's immediate needs - as good as F-16 in flight and avionics, much more maintainable, designed for dispersed operations by a tiny crew, and able to use the European long range Meteor air-to-air missile. But does still have capacity to take it on, given most of the air force is in one way or another training for the F-16?
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28718

Norobiik, to PokemonGO
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Today, we had a largish raid group of 11+ to take on an in - it turned out to be a good raid.

Just for fun, my strongest ditto was backing up my mega salamence who was in #1 position. Turns out that the ditto's shapeshift did not cancel out my salamance's mega form which was a happy surprise 😁

I won the Raid Buddy award but the ditto doesn't show up alas 😞

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Norobiik,
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The country being referred to is the #Philippines, we're reportedly going for the #Gripen E/F instead. That leaves, potentially, eight Gripen C/D fighters for #Ukraine now that #Sweden is joining #NATO.

"Reportedly, 12 Gripen C/Ds were produced in Switzerland a few years ago in the hope of commercial success, but the country did not opt for this type, so #Hungary could instead receive four of these #Gripens." #JAS39Gripen #Gripens4UA

https://hungarytoday.hu/more-gripens-and-tactical-aircraft-to-strengthen-the-air-force/

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TheEuropeanNetwork, to sweden

Reports in Sweden say that the country’s government is considering sending Swedish-manufactured Gripen jets to the Ukrainians to aid in their fight against Russia – adding another dimension to Nordic and Baltic involvement in the war.

The internationally renowned Gripen jets have capabilities that Ukraine badly needs in its counteroffensive against Russia.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/18/the-swedish-fighter-plane-that-could-make-a-difference-in-ukraine

#Sweden #Ukraine #WarInUkraine #Gripen #FighterJets

nordicnews, to random
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Ukraine's Zelenskiy asks Sweden for Gripen jets in first visit since Russian invasion https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-visits-sweden-meet-pm-royal-family-2023-08-19/ (🔒)

Gurre,
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@nordicnews

The Gripen would suit Ukraine nicely. Fighting the Russian air force in a highly contested airspace was the role it was built for.
Doesn't need big airbases, just a straight bit of asphalt road out in the countryside.

#UAF #Gripen #NAFO #Sweden #Ukraine

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Norobiik, to Russia
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The blockade by is changing underwriter even for the .

", – Lloyd’s of underwriters are leading insurers in raising rates and cutting the amount of cover they offer for risks involving as concerns grow over possible military action by , industry sources with knowledge of the matter say."

Lloyd's of London leads insurers tightening Taiwan cover as conflict risks rise
https://www.rappler.com/business/lloyds-london-leads-insurers-tightening-taiwan-cover-conflict-risks-rise/

Norobiik,
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"Speaking at a joint news conference with Swedish Prime Minister #UlfKristersson in Harpsund, about 90 kilometers (56 miles) west of #Stockholm, #Zelensky said that test flights with Ukrainian pilots had already begun." #UkraineWar #JAS39

#Ukraine discussing #Gripen fighter aircraft delivery with #Sweden, Zelensky says
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-08-19-23/h_bf352abf9886552e08965c0c833b3b32

Norobiik,
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It's a no go - for now. Nicely timed, being announced after #Denmark & the #Netherlands committed to donating #F16's to #Ukraine.

#Sweden’s prime minister, #UlfKristersson, said on Monday that Sweden needs #Gripen planes for its own defence, noting that the country’s bid to join Nato has not been finalised. #UkraineWar

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/aug/21/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-zelenskiy-f-16s-moscow-nuclear-threat?page=with:block-64e32f158f08111b4b786b42#block-64e32f158f08111b4b786b42

Norobiik,
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" should prepare to send fighter jets to to help the country defend against the , although the Nordic nation must first complete its own accession process, Sweden’s opposition leader said on Thursday."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/aug/24/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-wagner-yevgeny-prigozhin-plane-crash-moscow-putin?page=with:block-64e721458f08f3273b0853f8#block-64e721458f08f3273b0853f8

Norobiik, to Philippines
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"Deliberately grounded on a tiny reef in the #SouthChinaSea, part of an island chain claimed by the two Asian countries, the #BRPSierraMadre is now the unlikely base for a detachment of Filipino marines who stand guard over the atoll, scanning the turquoise waters for Chinese ships." #AyunginShoal #SecondThomasShoal #Philippines

Wreck, Rats and Roaches : Standoff in the #SouthChinaSea (2014 article)
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/07/world/south-china-sea-dispute/

Norobiik,
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Linking the Philippine Air Force Saab #Gripen multi-role fighter (MRF) thread to the #WestPHSea thread. There is a strong possibility the #Philippines will be getting more than 14 MRF's (12 Gripen C & 2 Gripen D) since that number won't be enough to cover our #EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone).

Note that the PAF was also considering getting F16's from the US though that proved too expensive for the original budget. Delivery time was longer than the Gripen's too.

https://noc.social/@Norobiik/110903017436035794

Norobiik,
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I stumbled upon the Reddit discussion below & translated the quoted Swedish article on the SEK 11.74B (krona)/ USD 1.13B/PHP 63B (peso) recent arms sale to a "secret country".

The amount roughly matches what the budgeted for the (s) so I think it's us.

Doubt it's Hungary(no need for secrecy) or Ukraine (it's a sale, not a donation)

Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bc5cun/sweden_sold_weapons_to_a_secret_country_the_day/?rdt=48581

Source: https://omni.se/hemligt-land-koper-vapen-for-over-11-miljarder-kronor/a/l3p0ak

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Norobiik,
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To wrap this minithread up, the sole reason why the is even considering acquiring the is that the Brahmos-NG (New Generation) is coming soon. Among the improvements is a substantial decrease in weight which enables a light combat aircraft () like the to carry two of them.

The , and don't have operational supersonic cruise missiles so the / / can't give us that capability.

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osma, to random
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Oh, now that there's an F-16 coalition, Sweden doesn't want to be left out and offers Gripen. You know, it would make sense to lead in these things. It's not like this wasn't proposed before.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-sweden-gripen-fighter-jets-war-pilots-bfca7aceedd0d7bbd11fab7f8ca4708a

SocraticEthics, to random
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musictraveler,
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@SocraticEthics
Good to see that the UK finally understands that Ukraine 🇺🇦 desperately needs heavy LONG RANGE attack drones and missiles

Hopefully other countries will awake soon and start also to send heavy longe range attack weapons to Ukraine 🇺🇦

Only with long range weapons Ukraine 🇺🇦 will be able to destroy the russian terrorist state weapon depots and logistic lines

Hopefully #Gripen and F16 fighter jets will follow soon

#SupportUkraine #F16 #ATACMS #Ukraine #LongeRangeDrones #UK

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