neatchee, (edited )
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I am very annoyed with Sony. I can't log in to my PlayStation account because ALL of their sign-in forms were changed to only allow 32 characters. I default to 64 character random passwords, which they previously allowed, so now I can't enter my password anymore

WTF Sony? You decreased security everywhere and didn't even notify people with passwords that are no longer compliant? The least you could do is force a reset when I try to log in next.

EDIT: Obviously the solution is just change my password but jfc is this dumb

the_wiggler,

@neatchee I don't understand why companies limit this to such small numbers. I thought passwords were all hashed to a standard length and stored with a salt value. Given that, why limit the length at all? It's not like hashing is that expensive, even with a couple thousand characters. It's not a goddamn block chain.

neatchee,
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@the_wiggler beats me :axelshrug: We live in a world where pure JavaScript still struggles with uint64 so I guess anything's possible :HoloHmmm:

thepi,
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@neatchee I've seen password change screens that would accept long passwords and then silently truncate them without telling you, so your 32 character password would fail because it didn't match the 16 characters that they actually bothered to save. This was like a cheapo IP-based security camera or old router admin panel, though.

neatchee, (edited )
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@thepi I've seen that before too. I would expect this from an indie studio or something, not literally one of only three major consoles manufacturers

lyrenhex,
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@neatchee if this is the same change as the one that changed the design to be all 'modern' - that change also tripped a bug in Firefox that would cause the entire browser to hard freeze.

which is insane. I don't know how the new login page shipped to prod when that was an issue at the time...

neatchee,
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@lyrenhex Woooooow. Yeah someone over there, possibly multiple someones, deserve to fired.

neatchee,
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WOW WOW WOW WOW I changed my password to a random 32 character string, it accepted the new password.... AND NOW WON'T LET ME LOG IN WITH THE LITERAL SAME PASSWORD PASTED FROM THE CLIPBOARD

This is hot trash. Hot, hot trash.

lowtus,
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@neatchee Just don't use Sony stuff lol

neatchee,
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@lowtus But muh Final Fantasy :(

Arataka,
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@neatchee I had the same issue, it forces you to use a shorter password. Sony is really stupid lol had wasted 30 min figuring it out!

Also it doesn’t tell you at all to use a lesser password, just says incorrect password. Sony is dumb.

neatchee,
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@Arataka wait.... You're saying the password creation field and the password login field accept up to 32 characters..... But that it actually has to be shorter????

Arataka,
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@neatchee yeah I guess so, I generated so many different passwords trying to get it to work and ended up having to use a 11 character password but idk what the limit is, I got tired of trying 😂

azabaro,
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@Arataka @neatchee I’ve seen people screw up password encryption for database storage - somehow, 2 different passwords of identical length would generate cipher texts of different length, one of which may that be longer than the max length for the encrypted password field. So you couldn’t reliably tell people a usable password length…

thepi,
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@azabaro @Arataka @neatchee ah yes my favourite hash algorithm - gzip

neatchee,
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neatchee,
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@Arataka that's outrageous. I'm flabbergasted

Arataka,
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@neatchee yeah it was incredibly annoying, ended up with like 20 password reset emails. Also auto fill with password managers seems to be bugged too so watch out for that.

neatchee,
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@Arataka oh I already caught that one on my phone and was marginally annoyed but at least that INCREASES security instead of decreasing it lol

neatchee,
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@Arataka OH BOY IT GETS BETTER. Tried a 25-character password, and....

nAbleMedia,
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@neatchee @Arataka Had a problem like that on a certain site. The change password field accepted passwords up to 16 characters, but the site itself only accepted up to 12 characters, so instead of giving an error, it just truncated it. When I used password recovery it gave me the truncated version, but that didn't work because the hash didn't match. Ended up giving up on the site (wasn't doing me much good anyway).

neatchee,
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@nAbleMedia @Arataka I actually had something similar happen with Lemmy! I was trying to log in using the Boost for Lemmy app and couldn't, despite being able to on the web frontend. The dev investigated and discovered that the Lemmy frontend was silently truncating the password both at registration and login, but Boost was not.

So as much shit as I might talk about some stuff, software engineering is, like, really hard to do perfectly (don't even get me started on realtime networking in games. Those people are legit wizards who bend reality to their will)

nAbleMedia,
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@neatchee @Arataka True 'nuff. 10% design, 10% writing code, 80% searching for that missing ) or ;

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