danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

as a person who supports student loan forgiveness

as a person who was subjected to predatory lending by a diploma mill that ballooned to, at its height, $101k in debt

"Joe Biden forgave a bunch of loans that aren't your loans and people should know about this achievement" is the most fundamentally unserious bit of centrist cheerleading I've ever fucking heard lmaooooooo

people will be excited by loan forgiveness when Biden forgives THEIR loans and if he can't deliver that they should not care

maslowsneeds,

@danilo Don’t leave out how endorsed of .

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@maslowsneeds listen, a) free Palestine, b) please don’t be inserting me into a pile of tags I didn’t ask for, I’m not looking for that kind of situation here

You may comply or be blocked; 5 minute countdown

CassandraZeroCovid,
@CassandraZeroCovid@mastodon.social avatar

@danilo

This is fair.

But it's also fair for Biden to try to make it clear his administration is trying to forgive as much student debt as Republicans will let slip through the cracks in the barrier wall they've erected to prevent it.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@CassandraZeroCovid nahhhhhhhhhh

I was told by the Centrist Vote Blue No Matter Who Squad that we NEEDED Biden because HE ALONE could navigate the legislative gridlock to deliver on his many promises

I was told THIS WAS THE GUY who could make Washington work, that his long history of complicity in the broken systems would now turn around to be alacrity in their manipulation

franktaber,
@franktaber@mas.to avatar

@danilo @CassandraZeroCovid I am seeing similar complaints across the US and UK and Canada against centrists who are hamstrung by following the system as it exists versus the lawless approach the far right is happy to take.

If the supposed solution is to emulate the far right and tear up the law then perhaps that is the end of democracy globally as neither left nor right believe in it any longer. I say this with views very far from the centrists but with a deep concern for democracy.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@franktaber @CassandraZeroCovid I don't know who's supposing that solution

franktaber,
@franktaber@mas.to avatar

@danilo @CassandraZeroCovid I am not sure either. I am trying to read between the lines of your post but I am likely doing so poorly.

I suppose on this specific issue you raised I am not sure what can be done when there is a corrupt US Supreme Court that will issue absurd rulings such as blocking blanket student debt forgiveness. One option would be to ignore the court and do it anyway which would be lawless. Though producing an outcome I support it would worsen the crisis of democracy.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@franktaber @CassandraZeroCovid all I can do is encourage you to increase the scope of your political imagination beyond the binaries you describe here

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

be fucking for real here!

I don't have a lot left of that burden but I was still curious about the forgiveness options as they do exist now

they are of course means tested within an inch of their fucking lives, and parsing the conditions basically requires an ivy league degree and no less than one hour of your life to research your particular case

as written, I APPEARED to qualify!

but no, I was informed not so much. No one needs to be excited about this unless they got hooked up

danilo, (edited )
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

anyway, US student debt is a crisis on the scale of $1.74 Trillion.

$140 billion forgiven of that sum is...

8% (edit: forgot the decimal)

Let the American people know! Joe Biden has lifted 8% of their burdens! Promises made, promises kept! Shout it from the rooftops

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

touches earpiece

...I’m being told Joe Biden helped cause the student debt crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

Anyway, the thing that drives me up the wall about the whole “the American people aren't being TOLD about Biden's achievements” narrative:

The American people are eating shit.

The American people are enduring surges in housing costs. The American people are seeing entire states turn into death traps for anyone who might become pregnant.

The American people are seeing rising homelessness.

This is a precarious moment in history and you're mad they're not being better gaslit?

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

It's objectively true that we cannot sustain another round of far-right arson in the federal government. People will die, people will be interned, people will be deported, people will be scapegoated and subjected to stochastic terrorism.

And I think if you want to avert that terrible outcome, the most effective way to do it is NOT giving Joe Biden a Gentleman's C on his first four years

But to demand commitments that prevent a lazy rightward drift (as already happened on immigration)

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

In other words, the usual "are you better off than you were four years ago" question is swallowed by the overall catastrophic trajectory of inequality

Because a thing that happened over that precise period is a transfer of wealth from the bottom to the top on the order of a TRILLION dollars

And no, Biden hasn't done much for that. Should we still elect him? Regrettably, he's what we've got if not what we deserve. So yes.

But ignoring the larger context isn't going to get us anywhere.

tintvrtkovic,
@tintvrtkovic@mastodon.social avatar

@danilo isn't this 8%? (I'm not from the US so no horse here except correct math ;)

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@tintvrtkovic yeah I missed a decimal, edited!

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