Edent,
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🆕 blog! “eInk Display for Octopus's Agile Energy Tariff”

I'm a little bit obsessed with building eInk displays. They're pretty cheap second hand. They're low energy, passive displays, with good-enough performance for occasional updates. Here's a new one which shows me what the current cost of my electricity is: Background After installing solar panels, a …

👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/12/eink-display-for-octopuss-agile-energy-tariff/

Edent, (edited )
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Apparently I didn't properly code my eink screen for negative pricing 😅

On the plus side, right now electricity is costing me zero pounds, zero shillings, and zero pence.

Might roast some potatoes just for the hell of it 😉

(We both get £50 if you join Octopus https://share.octopus.energy/metal-dove-988)

AndreasThinks,
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@Edent
Ooo what is the display? Another Kobo type thing or something more specific?

Edent,
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Edent,
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Holy shit!

Most of tomorrow is going to be NEGATIVE pricing for electricity.

Literally being paid to soak up extra electrons. Might cook Xmas dinner a day early 😂

ryanc,

@Edent excess power from wind?

Edent,
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@ryanc certainly not from my solar panels. Looks like they'll get a good clean though.

I'll be watching @kate's https://grid.iamkate.com/ pretty closely tomorrow.

Edent,
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Tumble dryer on.
Croissants cooking in the oven.
Kettle boiling.
Battery charging.

At -2p/kWh it won't quite pay for an Xmas present - but certainly fun to see what sort of odd behaviours it drives.

M0YNG,
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@Edent out of interest, have you combined/compared/looked for a correlation between grid carbon and agile price?

https://www.carbonintensity.org.uk/

(I've got some basic Python scripts to send this data to home assistant via mqtt if you want something to get you started)

Edent,
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@M0YNG interesting! Not something I've looked into.

Edent,
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Our 4.8kWh battery took advantage of the negative electricity pricing yesterday.
It charged when power cost ≤ £0.00 and discharged the rest of the time.
Basically filled and emptied twice.

https://botsin.space/@solar/111639037230545427

stfn,
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@Edent nice! I will for sure have some type of electricity storage when I build my house

Noneeeed,
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@Edent does it export from the battery to the grid, or was it just discharged to supply your house?

Edent,
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@Noneeeed It can do. But in general it keeps balanced with our usage. That's because it is usually more cost effective to use rather than sell.

deryckchan,

@Edent Any recommendations for batteries?

Edent, (edited )
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@deryckchan
I don't know where you are in the world or what your budget is. Best to find a local installer who can assess the space you have.

Edent,
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The results are in!

On Xmas eve, our home electricity use cost us… -10p!

Yup, our electricity company paid us a couple of shillings. Not enough for a mince pie, obviously. But the amount we used would have normally cost about £7 (24kWh * £0.30).

NB Octopus can't show negative pricing on its graphs either 😆

crablab,

@Edent 8p/kWh today in my area on Tracker 😲

Edent,
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@crablab
Perhaps you need to move supplier 😜

crablab,

@Edent Heh, I just need a home battery 😛

Tracker is the daily version of Agile 🙂 (so a price fixed per day, not per 30 minutes - averages out the evening peak)

Edent,
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@crablab
If only we had V2G! I don't need an EV, but I do fancy the idea of a stupidly large solar battery in summer.

DawnBlackbirds,

@Edent 5 kilos of foraged, frozen blackberries currently simmering their way to becoming jam 🙂 We’ve only just moved to Agile. We don’t have solar/batteries yet, but we use very little power at peak time and can easily shift even more away. Very interested to see what our bill will be next time, but it’s fairly obvious from watching the tariff that we’re going to save quite a lot.

Edent,
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@DawnBlackbirds
Mmmmm jam!

squaregoldfish,
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@Edent So there isn't a standing charge per unit on top of the spot price? Or the spot price is included in that chart?

Edent,
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@squaregoldfish
No per kWh, no.
There's still the regular daily standing charge.

squaregoldfish,
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@Edent That makes sense at least. In Norway you have to remember it! Plus the standing charge changes based on peak usage, so if you do turn everything at the same time then you get charged more the next month. So we've ended up with competing incentives...

MikeHar94962844,

@Edent They'll pay you to use electricity? Why?

Edent,
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@MikeHar94962844
There's more supply than there is demand.
https://octopus.energy/smart/agile/

julia,

@Edent Does that include taxes? 😳 Here, the energy prices will be €0/kWh for most of the day (except around dinnertime, when they’ll go up to €0.04/kWh), but you must always pay ~€0.17/kWh in taxes.

Edent,
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@julia
There's no per kWh fee. But we do have to pay a fixef daily fee no matter how little we use.

Edent,
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Another day with negative electricity prices!

I really need to program my graph to account for that. In the meantime, I'm going to mine some Bitcoin!

(Well, I'm going to do some tumble drying - which is a lot more useful.)

bazcurtis,
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@Edent Tomorrow is not as exciting, but still basically free all day.

simevidas,
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@Edent Does negative prices mean that the electricity company is paying you to use their electricity?

Edent,
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@simevidas yes. I got paid to fill up my 4.8kWh home battery.

Edent,
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Fixed a few things in my energy monitor.

Now actually understands BST (🤭), also deals with negative pricing properly.

I also added a gradient (graydient?) To make it look slightly nicer.

Edent,
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OK, I didn't expect electricity prices to approach NEGATIVE 10p/kWh!

Might have to do some rejigging of my code. After being paid to cook a roast dinner 😄

You can join Octopus Energy and we both get £50 https://share.octopus.energy/metal-dove-988

andersonshatch,

@Edent -19.94 was the lowest I've seen it, some time last year

Edent,
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@andersonshatch at which point I'm just going to turn on my aluminium smelter!

jamesholden,
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@Edent I do like the e-ink but Mrs H wanted something more accessible from her phone, so I built a simple HTML status page to show the pricing and charge strategy my bot is planning. Ignore any battery status more than 12 hours out, I’m experimenting with the time window it uses for forecasting. https://jamesholden.net/power.html

Edent,
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@jamesholden nice!

NAB,
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@Edent Could you say more about the display - what display(s) are you using and how are you programming it/them?

Edent,
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tomhazledine,
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@Edent Nice! Is the process of getting the webpage onto the screen the same as it was in 2020? (i.e. setting a non-https webpage as the screensaver for a Nook?)

Seeing the end result makes me want to play, but I'm wondering if there are "simpler" options hardware-wise. I imagine buying just the screen and hooking it up to a RPi would end up being more hassle 🤷

Edent,
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@tomhazledine
Yup! Same process.
You can buy an eink screen and a Pi or similar. But I like the ereader as a complete package.

fl0_id,
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@Edent where do you get them second hand?

Edent,
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@fl0_id
I found this obscure little website called… eBay 😁

fl0_id,
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@Edent ok good point ^^

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