NickEast,
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All books are propagande when a government fears people might start thinking about why things are they way they are 🤔

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KuudereKun,
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@NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience

Unfortunately books like1984 don't actually do that, sometimes Governments Ban things specifically to trick the rebels.

https://mithrandirolorin.blogspot.com/2023/06/dystopian-science-fiction-only.html

plount,

@NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience I'm not aware of the US banning any book, ever, since it would be unconstitutional.

kristenhg,

@plount @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience

Joyce's Ulysses and Miller's Tropic of Cancer were both banned in the US on obscenity grounds. But it is rare for a book to be banned at a national level.

https://blog.richmond.edu/lawlibrary/?p=4268

taoish,

@plount @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience
Do you imagine that books of child pornography are not banned in the US? I think this is a simplistic view.

You may be confusing prior restraint with illegality. It's very hard to block a book from being published in the first place in the US. (Eg Pentagon Papers) That does not mean that you can't be prosecuted for publishing it.

Enema_Cowboy,
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plount,

@Enema_Cowboy @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience Yeah, it wasn't banned. I hate people spreading misinformation even for somewhat irrelevant things like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._One_Book_Called_Ulysses

Enema_Cowboy,
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@plount @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience

From the Wikipedia article you linked.

"That stopped publication of Ulysses in the United States for over a decade.[2]"

plount,

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Yes, the US TEMPORARY banned the publication of one important book of English literature because of a stupid prudish law, which I didn't know, sry. That doesn't mean that's not the most free country when it comes to publishing books, for better or worse, and it has been like that since forever.

KerryMitchell,
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@plount @Enema_Cowboy @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience For worse… There’s a long history of banning books for various reasons in the U.S. Books on evolution. Books that were too frank about war or sex or religious leaders. Books judged to be in poor taste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_States

plount,

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And how does this compare with other countries? And how does this compare with Soviet Russia, or the country that I grew up in, RSR?

atompunkray,
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@plount @KerryMitchell @Enema_Cowboy @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience well, since the USSR had worse censorship I guess censorship doesn’t exist in the US

morlando,

@plount @KerryMitchell @Enema_Cowboy @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience I have no standing to dispute your U.S.-Russia comparisons. Indeed, they fit my priors. But for many in the U.S. today, there is an important distinction to be made, between ideals and conduct. This is at the crux of the dispute between MAGA and the 'mainstream'.

InayaShujaat,
plount,

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US blocked the publication of one book because of a prudish law a century ago for a decade, and then the prudes got their ass kicked at the supreme court, and this somehow grants a comparison with Soviet Russia 🙃

InayaShujaat,

@Enema_Cowboy @NickEast @litstudies @plount @bookstodon @politicalscience @histodons The mental gymnastics you’re having to perform right now must be exhausting. You claimed that the US never banned a book. You were proved to be wrong.

Tourma,

@plount

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Its definitely a thing and its the worst its been this year than it has since at least the satanic panic. Maybe the red scare.

This link is to the American Library Association's 10 most challenged books in 2022.
https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

I just made a table at work, (a library,) of challenged books for an upcoming program.

Among 1984 and The Bluest Eye, I've got Gender Queer, Flammer, A Handmaid's Tale, Maus, and Harry Potter.

Didn't even bother to find a copy of And Tango Makes Three.

Most challenges happen at school libraries, but public and postsecondary libraries get heat too, and increasingly so, like everyone else here.

Its a problem.

InayaShujaat,

@bookstodon @histodons @politicalscience @plount @NickEast @litstudies The US has done plenty of things that are unconstitutional, btw. The whole Patriot Act is steeped in unconstitutional actions.

rainbowdash,

@NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience Slightly unrelated, but also kinda related: 1984 is trash and we must come together as a society to accept that the author and his book are disgusting. The book is extremely unrealistic, too, even for the times back then.

plount,

@rainbowdash @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience Is it? In 1984 I was living in the Orwellian 1984. The book was mainly about Soviet Russia, with identifiable characters, and the socialist form of totalitarianism.

sonyablanck,
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@rainbowdash @NickEast @bookstodon @litstudies @histodons @politicalscience we obviously didn't read the same book.

RHW,
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rato,
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@rainbowdash The point of it is kinda relevant, though. Power for the sake of power and nothing else and stuff.

rainbowdash,

@rato That could've been summarized as a short story of maybe 20 pages. The book was waaay too long for what it offered. The vivid descriptions of every touch he gave that girl were too much. Also his dreams about that white teenage girl he fantasized about were unbearable for me to read.

rato,
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@rainbowdash But it does have merit in the story, though.

rainbowdash,

@rato Well, if you believe in "communism = bad" then it definitely does. That is the merit I took away from it, personally. What I don't understand, though, is why the US banned the book? The content was obviously describing the cult surrounding politicians like Stalin & how through the Russian Revolution people were promised improvements, but only ended up having a degraded quality of life, which is in fact untrue btw. The oppression remained, but women were treated more equally, education became mandatory & workers were finally guaranteed some rights. Stalin was definitely a horrible person, tho.

It seems like Orwell was obsessed with painting communism bad, considering he had another book about the workers taking over the means of production and them ending up back to square one, because one of them decided to become someone like the previous owner. He makes a revolution against the status quo seem so pointless, maybe with the intention of getting people to not even try.

rato,
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@rainbowdash I mean, it's not exactly communism = bad, but authoritarianism = bad. You can easily apply it to any authoritarian regime out there.

rainbowdash,

@rato That is true, however, you forget how authoritarianism in the book is described as being a thing of the post-revolution era which to me seems like a direct & superficial comparison to the Russian Revolution, which in my eyes is an attempt at painting communism as bad, which as we all know wasn’t the cause for all the cruelty in Soviet Russia.

rato,
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@rainbowdash I mean, USRR was kinda trash and I could totally see why Orwell - a declared communist - would paint is a dystopian nightmare.

NickEast,
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@rainbowdash I'd agree it is entierly possible that it is overrated, but I wouldn't agree with it being trash 😀

rainbowdash,

@NickEast Maybe the political aspect of it is fine, but the book as a whole is oversaturated with sex that I had a hard time not giving up on it. It is definitely overrated, the trash part is just my opinion 😊

NickEast,
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@rainbowdash Well, we all have opinions, including authors 😀
I'm sure somewhere there's someone who thinks the sex part of it are fine, and the politocs makes it hard not to give up on it...

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