Has anyone else noticed a large influx of Trolls lately?

This isn’t about immediately filtered content, like the disgusting DuffMan George Floyd meme, or Holocaust denial. That’s pretty well kept in check by mod tools. I’m also not talking about cogent or even pointed political discussion.

I’m not even talking about necessarily in this community directly, however in a lot of other spaces I’ve noticed a lot of accounts using divisive language and terms like “The ineffectual left” “single issue voters” “ignorant right wing morons”. Lots of straw man arguments, lots of willful ignorance.

I’m not a centrist, I’m very very very far left however I know well enough not to patently dismiss the talking points of others, outside of course calls to genocide. I know what dog whistles sound like, and I’m hearing a lot of them lately.

Most egregiously I’m seeing very long form post replies that read very much like what is generated from LLMs.

So I guess my question is, how’re we all fairing with what might be the largest Turing test ever?

andyburke,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

The growing intensity of straw manning over the past decade has hurt us all so much.

Don't try to characterize what "they" would do, then get mad at your hypothetical. We need to talk to each other instead of about each other.

monkeyman512,

Good call. How are you? Have you had enough water today?

amio,

Wow, imagine calling out a fucker like that, how dare you.

Brunbrun6766,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

You WOULD ask that you FILTHY bot!

SturgiesYrFase,

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE! BEEP BOOP MOTHERFUCKER!

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Viva la Robolution!

Brunbrun6766,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

youtube.com/…/Ugkxn0kmlD67eYTEFjOzKH01DpATgSFFr7F…

r3df0x,

I’m not sure I’d call them “trolls.”

I think Lemmy and the fediverse in general is vulnerable to bot manipulation because no one is going to give out personal information to random instances.

There are users on !autism who say that they get accused of being bots.

Agent641,

Circle of life on the internet. Some public forums last longer than others. Some go full facist dictatorship, some devolve into anarchy, some die out completely. Nirvananet, Totse, gamefaqs, 4chan, 99chan, imgur, whirlpool forums, stack exchange, reddit, Lemmy. Theres no telling which way a rudderless ship will drift. You just do what you can, and get off when she starts going under

Lost_My_Mind,

…whirlpool forums?

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

tbh not really

Even the largest comment threads tend to only have a select few comments that are either blatant shilling or next level dumb.

Everyone else seems to have at least several comments that match their opinion.

Even the complaints about .ml spamming seem mostly untrue, I haven’t really seen any spam or mod deleted content.

ml and world defnitley mod or ban eachother, but I don’t think they’re increasing in trolls.

trolololol,

Me? No, and I’ve been around for a while

Socsa,

Yes, the hexbears and their .ml ilk have started to use alts to troll the larger forums. Their admins openly admit that their only interest within the fediverse is information warfare.

Other instance need to be taking this as seriously as they would be taking a nazi instance admin admitting to the same things.

Lost_My_Mind,

I’m new to the fediverse, and largely I don’t get it, yet.

But aren’t the things you’re talking about the type of reasons you’d give to DEfederate from that one instance?

Omgboom,

Are they coming from a specific instance? I’ve blocked a couple and my lemmy experience drastically improved

Wanangwa_Bamidele,

People just say their agument and their idea.

Yo, as long as they are not bot spaming ads or p*rn, I seem ok.

Flax_vert,

I’ve had a lot of strawman arguments used against me lol. It’s just the internet, I find

eldavi,

yes but reddit always sheds users every once and a while

AlexisFR,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

It’s not redditors who are doing this.

yyyesss,

yes, very much. i’ve been telling my partner it may be time to give up on Lemmy.

the ones that kill me are the long-form posts that seem to be making one point then pivot in the middle and get confusing. they’re just muddying the waters but people who don’t read past the first sentence or two upvote so they gain traction.

PugJesus,

Gish gallop. It’s a common tactic used by authoritarians with no real arguments.

uriel238,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m seeing very long form post replies that read very much like what is generated from LLMs.

Oh goodness, as one who has a bad habit of putting responses into essay form, I hope this doesn’t refer to me. I’m not an LLM. Honest!

Okay, I’m pretty sure I’m human. It’s a damn convincing hallucination.

Socsa,

“Chatgpt, convince me you are not an LLM”

ArmokGoB,

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-05-2024/h66wqG.gif

aodhsishaj,

You got me this time Chat-GPT4o

Xeroxchasechase,

I appologize for the confusion. I will do my best to reffer to you as “Not LLM” from now on. Does this satisfy your rrequset?

RootBeerGuy,
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SkyezOpen,

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Hadriscus,

Please select all square trucks

Lost_My_Mind,

I write long winded replies which can best be described as multi-volume box set paragraphs.

I don’t know what LLM is…did he mean LMM? That’s my innitials!

weariedfae,

Yes it has been a stark difference that picked up this month. I was in what used to feel like a chill community and the sheer vitriol of the threads the past week has been really annoying.

Socsa,

This is what it’s like on .ml, where all the hexbear trolls are still allowed. What’s happening is these trolls are making alts specifically to push propaganda. Their admins even admit it.

aodhsishaj,

Yes, that’s absolutely the point of my post. Big upswing in bad actors.

Ozone6363,

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    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

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    Lost_My_Mind,

    Removed by Todd

    Sizzler,

    Its just another inflammatory post to rally everyone in a single direction. Either worry or don’t worry. Your choice.

    LemmyBe,

    It’s election season, so get used to this. Other countries have learned how to divide us using social media, not to mention the years of experience Fox New and Co. have in doing just that. On top of it, we now have AI generated posts to contend with. It’s not getting better anytime soon…personally, I just ignore any post that sounds like it’s inflammatory (which sadly are almost all political posts, and everything Musk).

    snownyte,
    snownyte avatar

    I always suspect a lot of them are coming from Reddit to take their daily dump on something to discourage others from using. All in hopes that we come back to Reddit so that they can gaslight, cry to mods and have us banned again just for their own amusement.

    Yeah they say that the internet in general can produce these kinds of people from all corners, but you do notice by behavior. If it isn't Reddit, it's got to be Twitter. One of the two, they're the most rabid of the bunch that would resort to these kind of things because they don't lead any productive lives.

    Bizarroland,
    Bizarroland avatar

    Don't forget, there is a large and worldwide vested interest in maintaining online divisiveness.

    The internet has become our global hearth. The grand majority of humanity participate in the internet to communicate with each other for conversation, connectedness, and social expression.

    This is very bad for authoritarian regimes, whether they are currently in power or attempting to enter into power or attempting to expand their power.

    Should someone do something that is considered "bad", information about that will spread around the world as fast as a lie ever could.

    To prevent that from hampering their schemes, the smart thing to do would be to poison the source. If you hate everyone on the internet because you have been effectively compromised by psychological poison, then you will not trust the people on the internet that you communicate with when they tell you something bad has happened.

    Therefore, the mote of power you could add to collective action is rendered ineffective.

    And, the interesting thing is they don't have to fool everybody. They only have to fool enough of us that our own internal division prevents effective action.

    I never really believed in a devil growing up, but if I did believe in a devil now, I would definitely say that this is one of his activities.

    rab,

    One of the best comments I’ve ever read on lemmy

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