Why The Last Jedi is a Great Sequel to The Force Awakens

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is ridiculed for dismissing the groundwork of The Force Awakens, but it’s a great sequel that continues the story properly. Here’s why.

I'm on board with this article. If there was, as is famously repeated online, "no plan," then JJ should have conceded that Rian is a better writer and carried his threads forward.

BaldProphet,
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Hot take, honestly.

I_Am_Jacks_____,

I agree with the article. My first viewing of TLJ left me shook. I did not like it because it wasn’t what I’d hoped it would be. But I re-watched all 9 movies a few months ago and I have to say that the whole Sequel Trilogy was way better than I had remembered… especially TLJ.

Ganondorf, (edited )
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There are a lot of things I really love about TLJ and overall it gets a lot of unnecessary hate, and usually a lot of the arguments are not well constructed beyond "I didn't like it". The main three gripes I hear about it are: a) Finn's side story was unnecessary (which, sure - maybe. I could see both sides of that argument so won't fight about it) b) Luke was nerfed from his Legends persona (arguably, was a fantastic decision) c) the immediate death of some characters.

Legends Luke's power is stupid and god-like. At one point he walks on the surface of a black hole, which is absolute trash fan fiction. Legends makes a very poorly/quickly trained Jedi into a Master and the absolute strongest being in the universe, who is so powerful that he basically isn't human anymore. It makes for a very boring character, similar to Superman. TLJ makes Luke into a believable character, considering his background and what's happened to him since we last saw him. 30 years is a long time and he's seen some shit - all without a lot of the proper Jedi training that other Jedi received since they were children.

As for the deaths of Phasma and Snoke: who cares? The main reason for them to be around was to be monoliths for Finn and Kylo Ren to overcome. They weren't interesting characters otherwise and we find out why Snoke wasn't developed further in the next movie. Also, Kylo Ren should be the focus of a movie in the Skywalker saga, not the newbie Snoke. Removing him was a good choice. Finn's monolith being removed gives him an opportunity to move to a new phase in the next movie, which was then not utilized by JJ. Furthermore, Phasma was supposed to be the next Boba Fett: just a marketable character who was pretty boring in the original trilogy but looked cool so his action figure sold well. TLJ does a very sensible thing overall: It takes unnecessary characters and writes them out of an already overcrowded character list.

TLJ also examined what went wrong with The Force Awakens and fixes it: namely that TFA is so safe that it leans into a boring rehash of ANH. TLJ at least had the guts to do something different and take the franchise in another direction, one SW sorely still needs thanks to JJ and Disney's refusal to do something different. So much of SW in the last 2 decades has been incredibly safe - except TLJ. It really goes to show how little originality and small vision JJ Abrams and Disney have as creatives that they couldn't figure out how to handle TRoS, which is arguably the absolute worst SW film - and outperforming AotC in that regard is truly impressive.

Last point, the last 20 or so minutes of TLJ really understands the origin of SW: Japanese samurai/ronin sword duels. It's also visually beautiful.

TLDR: SW fans go brr, hate everything anyway.

I_Am_Jacks_____,

Very well said. I like all of your points.

ADHDefy,
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Idk, hard disagree from me. I really like Rian Johnson's work, but imo, this movie was a narrative mess that seemed like it was trying to be polarizing for the sake of being polarizing, not to elevate the franchise or make an artistic statement. I mean, he had a vision and he took a risk, which I respect, but it sounds like he was unwilling to take input from some of the players that know Star Wars best, which was a big mistake in my view.

I just wish we got something in between J.J.'s approach of essentially just remaking the old movies and Rian's approach of subverting every possible aspect of the property until it was unrecognizable and unfulfilling... and whatever that last movie was. Yeesh.

wjrii, (edited )
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I came out of TLJ thinking, "Well, that was not what I expected, and I'm not quite giddy, but this is absolutely the best Star Wars movie I've seen since ROTJ, and it may be better than ROTJ."

A cohesive theme, a mature consideration of where this franchise needed to go, setting the table for a final act that would not simply be rehash of ROTJ, exploring a Kylo who has finally got what he thinks he wants, the Resistance poised to rebound, Finn all-in, Poe sobered and matured beyond a cliche. Even Canto Bight hinted at a galaxy that was larger than the OT-redux power dynamic that TFA crammed down our throats. If I had some concerns, it's that a slow-speed chase was not super compelling as a framing device and they probably just should have had the Rebels get to Krait sooner, that the lack of a time-skip meant we couldn't get as much off-screen hand-wavy character development, and some of the dialogue is a bit Marvel-ized. The Holdo maneuver could be (and was, though clumsily) waved off in the next movie (e.g. "She was able to lock onto the Hyperspace tracker!"). Given the sstate of play left by 7, I loved Luke's arc, and understood it as a frustrated man still trying to do the right thing even when it was painful. That is ABSOLUTELY what might happen to a Luke Skywalker who found his beloved nephew was a path to genocidal evil, and even then the man who took his weapons into the cave, who risked the galaxy to save his friends, was only impetuous enough to ignite his lightsaber. Luke was at peace at the end of ROTJ, but it's silly to think he was utterly changed from his younger self. No one is. He did way better than most.

Overall, TLJ was much better than TFA or any of the prequels, and frankly the filmmaking choices and George's gaps in interest/talent still leave the PT hard to watch, even if the overrarching plot is less disjointed. I was excited to see Episode 9 in a way I hadn't been in a long time, only really hoping they'd consider splitting it into two because TLJ needed to clean up the mess of TFA's nostalgia fest (which could have been much better with only minor tweaks). But no, JJ and the powers-that-be acted like cowards and bullies' toadies, actually wasting time to lampshade how much TROS was not TLJ (e.g. "Come with us Rose!" "I can't! Leia gave me homework!"). This of course pissed off everyone, as of course the TLJ fans were put off, but it also completely missed the point of what those with concerns about TLJ disliked about it, as well as reminding them of it several times.

Finally, and in conclusion, find you someone who looks at you like JJ Abrams looks at a Hyperspace skip. 😂

ZapBeebz_,

There was no plan, but there were also directors who think they can do it better. TFA was a shot for shot remake of A New Hope because they refused to take even a single risk, and TLJ does not present any cohesive storytelling whatsoever, along with an added “thematic pressure” that is so mind bogglingly idiotic that it breaks right through the standard “sci-fi suspension of disbelief” and leaves the viewer questioning how the fuck it’s even possible, instead of paying attention to whatever passes for a storyline . And don’t even get me started on the lightsaber choreography.

Oh, and that article conveniently ignores the majority of these gripes.

Ferk, (edited )
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If TFA were a shot for shot remake it might have actually not been that bad....

I. The hero is overpowered from the get go. Rey can fly the millennium falcon by herself... and she's able to use the force AND beat a Sith already from the first movie! ...it would have actually been better if they had taken notes from the 1st duel between Luke and Vader...

II. Kilo is shown to be childishly immature, insecure, whiny and prone to make very obvious mistakes... he's obsessed with Vader, but he's nothing like Vader.. he's so emotion-driven that it ends up being a very superficial character that just throws tantrums.

III. Poor attempts at shock value. You could see Han's death from a mile away.... but worse, it had very little real emotional weight. It came off very unconvincing... specially since we are shown how it was Leia the one who was pushing Han to try to save his son, Han didn't actually believe in him to begin with. They really did him dirty with such a cheap death. No comparison with Ben's death on ANH.

IV. Too many superfluous characters... I don't remember ANH having this much filler stuff. We didn't need so many parallel stories being told at the same time slowing down the flow. ANH delivered a lot of world building without having to make long expositions.

V. Open ending without a satisfying conclusion. ANH would have worked well even if it were a single movie instead of a trilogy. The death star blowing up is a very satisfying end. TFA climax is just Rey finding Luke. It's almost as if the whole movie was just setup for whatever comes next without having a good idea of what should come next but leaving a lot of poorly developed characters, with a lot more restrictions and subplots than ANH had, all built up in a Universe that was a lot less interesting than it could have been if we simply started straight from the beginnings of the New Republic that Ep6 had set up..

It's almost as if they were trying to make a remake without really understanding what was that made the original great.

I might have to rewatch TFA to remember more problems with it... but I don't think there was a single difference vs ANH that I liked. Not only was it unoriginal, it was bad at the things that it did different and it set up a very shaky ground for any follow up movie... imho, TLJ did good by destroying some of the weak and uninteresting macguffins and opening it up back again to uncharted territory, and at least when it tries to shock it does shock. Even if it also has many flaws in and on itself. After that, ep9 had a lot of freedom and it would have been able to go in a lot of directions without having to mess up with anything... but no, they managed to somehow still find ways to mess it up.

ZapBeebz_,

You’re pretty right on all accounts. I meant it in the fairly literal sense of “introduced to orphan main character on desert planet, go to rebel base on lush green planet, then fight planet destroying superstation controlled by the empire” oh and maybe there’s a frog-like mentor character?

Brunbrun6766,
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Blasphemy

wjrii,
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FROM MY POOINT OF VIEW THE HATERS ARE EVIL!

Ganondorf,
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What an enlightening comment. Thanks for adding to the conversation.

NZV65572,

Rewatched all these movies recently and I have to say that the last Jedi is my favorite in the main story line and rogue one is my favorite overall.

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