kobayashi90,

So they admitted that their Goal is not Free Speech at all, not gonna lie thats what this reply says in my Eyes. Sad to say that you lost my Trust.
#FreeSpeech #NotSoFreeSpeech #Goverment #Freedom #Internet #Secure #Mail #Security #Encrypted #FlokiNet #Iceland #ProtonMail

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kobayashi90,

@kkarhan whats your opinion about it.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 I'd never trust @protonmail as they literally rat out users...

If they were actually pro-#privacy they'd make themselves incapable of such requests...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCx_G_R0UmQ

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @protonmail Yeah id heard about this, that why i was upset about FlokiNet cooperating for this bullshit managed service. Id argue this was an money focused deal than anything else. Gonna Puke now.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 nodds in agreement

I could've accepted if they just advertised a regular-ass #managed #OpenXchange or #NextcloudHub and not insulted our intellects with obviously false claims...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan its more sad that its an Icelandic Business thats doing it than as for example any other country because, we the icelanders value our privacy and actually care about it. We are basically Privacy Island.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 Yeah...

But I'm also shure there's some smol IT biz that sells people #Office365 subscriptions there too...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan Oh for fucks sake do they.. sigh..

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 I mean that alone should disqualify any #IT #business from being deemed trustworthy...

That and using or offering #Windows...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan Yeah cant argue against it, you're right.
Gonna grab lunch, see you later.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 do that.

Enjoy your meal...

I enjoy mine now...
🍜

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 but hey if @flokinet wants to trash their by shilling a bad clone like @protonmail then so be it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeXaYR4ed9c

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @flokinet @protonmail

Because I'd not shill a product or service I can't verify myself...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1thc5DSHwA

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @flokinet @protonmail

Espechally not with blatantly false claims that are at best "#TrustMeBro"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @flokinet @protonmail Ah yes, an Classic Tom Scott Video. Handsome and Informative as always.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 I mean, we gotta have to inform the #TechIlliterates that may stumble upon this thread and they too need to be informed on why claims made by @protonmail, @signalapp and other #centralized #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solutions are inherently wrong!

We can't complain about people being #'TechIlliterate without doing our part in reducing #TechIlliteracy and making people more #TechLiterate...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @protonmail @signalapp I cant post the meme right now but Signal is bad? What did i miss?

Insert "Wait, Wait, Wait Wait Waaaait" here.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 very simple:
Like @protonmail they act as a / solution and @signalapp not only refuses to distribute their app as so @fdroidorg and others can actually release reproducible builds but they also don't make it capable.

Not to mention their reliance of and in the and thus subject to as well as collecting and being thus able and willing to do on behalf of US Gov.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 So instead of @signalapp just use #XMPP + #OMEMO and #eMail with #PGP/MIME encryption and you're good to go.

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @signalapp Ah, this is one area for once that sounds like mambo jumbo to me so i ask someone to help me @tfunken

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken depends...

Again: #MonoclesChat + #Orbot and one of many #XMPP servers and you get #secure comms and even if the provider/admins are held and gunpoint and forced to log everything, all they see are #Tor #ExitNodes and/or other @torproject Tor nodes and only scrambled stuff...

https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken @torproject
At most they can see username@domain.example communicate with another.username@example.com and the truly End-to-End - Encrypted Chat.

So unless they steal said devices they can't decrypt shit.

Not bulletproof but requiring the police to actually do some real investigations and find people with evidence in the meatspace to warrant a search and seizure of devices.
At which point if the suspects remain silent and didn't fuck up nothing will come out.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken And if one ever gets in the situation to have their premises searched they already violated rule #1:

DON'T GET CAUGHT!

Simple as that...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @signalapp @tfunken Thats true, makes sense.

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @signalapp @tfunken @torproject Well i mean i know what GPG keys are. How is this different?

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken #OMEMO does support multiple devices and allows distinguishing and managing them...

OFC #MonoclesChat also supports #PGP/MIME besides #OMEMO...

vormrodo,

@kkarhan @kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken As Monocles Chat is dependent on Conversations, the PGP encryption is OpenPGP but not the newer OX, which is considered safer somehow. Weißt du etwas darüber?

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @flokinet @protonmail Because that's how you get to overrun a full to the brim with ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5h8o4YUEdc

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 @flokinet
@protonmail
But don't take my word for it.

Cuz I'd call the #FBI and/or #NSA "criminally incompetent" if they haven't placed people inside #ProtonMail if not set it up as their front.

Cuz if something is #TooGoodToBeTrue, it's a lie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9wnMXvgOc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANOM

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @flokinet @protonmail Indeed, will watch later.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar
kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 And there's a longer vid released by Australian Public Broadcaster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlai7Uj17Nc

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @flokinet @protonmail Yeah i know this Video since i follow Louis Rossmann for his Right to Repair Movement. :)

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan @flokinet @protonmail Not gonna lie i am not an friend of Mental Outlaw, he might have good Videos but his persona is not really something i would like to know better.. still seems like a good Video.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 yeah...

He might be a cringy asshole worse than Thunderf00t but sadly he's right in terms of technical things more than he should be...

And whilst I'm not a fan of a tinfoilhatted Pepe in a cat costume, that doesn't get me to dismiss his arguments outright...

kobayashi90,

@kkarhan Good to know someone agrees with me on that front, most people that i know simp for him in any possible way. -.-

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@kobayashi90 I think being able to have a is key...

Just like RMS being a shit person doesn't invalidate the few points he's right about - like predicting and ...

But that doesn't make him less of an unlikeable POS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SKenHRhMg

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