The "protocol wars" of new #openweb protocols, including #bluesky, #Nostr, and #activertypub, am suggesting that bridges between them are a good solution to the current issues. All of these protocols are #4opens and #openweb native, which is a positive development. However, the cultures of these protocols are different and this can create messiness in the discussions.
I advocate for a grassroots #DIY culture and urge people to focus on building bridges rather than adding to the mess.
@raccoon the key part is #4opens we don't have to ask its #FOSS and yes not saying you are not right, the current non federated #bluesky would be pointless.
#Nostr all ready has a working 2 way bridge to #activertpub, I am transparently reading and replying to #Nostr users.
Another day, another social network. In my continued quest to try new decentralized networks, I had to create a small WordPress plugin to verify myself with Nostr.
Briefly played around with #Nostr. In theory the concept is interesting, with a truly decentralised approach (using relays) but if people think #Mastodon is tricky to get, they will truly struggle with Nostr. I think that can be possible to improve with better clients (web and apps), but now the experience is very unfriendly.
Most profiles seem to be crypto related.
If you want to connect then my public key is: npub10gecemd5whd0lce6kdjpyrxr87jmh58a8ynwqg50ufqzx6sd2lwqrqkn35
Btw the first sign of #Nostr being a tricky sell for the mainstream is that I have to share my profile with that unintelligible long public key. While I get the logic, it is quite the turn off as an identity. Doesn’t create a sense of ‘me’. Personal branding. Also doesn’t work well with offline sharing. Perhaps a relay-related human understandable address would work better? A bit like what I think #BlueSky is doing.
Mal ne Durchsage an alle wegen #Bluesky: Jack Dorsey ist raus. Der hat das mitgegründet, aber offenbar das Projekt verlassen, als er von #Nostr gehört hat.
Daher auch nicht schlau, sich in der Kritik daran immer zentral an Dorsey aufzuhängen.
Thanks to @mmasnick for the clear and cogent explanations in this article about what's happening with various decentralized protocols llike #ActivityPub, #nostr as well as #Bluesky. I think clearing up some of the concerns and the fudd was needed. I wish people would wait a little and listen.
@atomicpoet I’ve literarily tried every new platform since Twitter & Pownce.. most recently #Post, #Nostr, #Bluesky, #Substack Notes and even #T2. While BlueSky seems to be the most intuitive coming from Twitter (along with Substack and Post) none of these platforms can compete with #Mastodon when it comes to interaction and overall culture.
Great article from @mmasnick breaking down the three front-runner decentralized social protocols. For anybody interested, check it out. Loved seeing shoutouts for #Calckey, and for alternative Mastodon web clients like #Phanpy.
I’m still betting on #ActivityPub of course, and have tried #Nostr. I look forward to getting invited to #Bluesky at some point, and in seeing what their federation actually looks like. Until that’s in place it’s all kind of moot.
@mmasnick Thank you! You've changed my opinion on #BlueSky with this post.
Also, maybe you intended for this to be the obvious conclusion of your own, and if it was I agree. It won't matter if we use BlueSky, #Mastodon or #nostr in the end. Content will mostly federate freely inbetween the protocols.
As an example: If people ask me if I'm still on #IRC the answer is "yes", although for me IRC channels are just additional #Matrix rooms nowadays.
The "culture" and assumptions behind these projects differ. #bluesky comes from Twitter, which has a history of surveillance capitalism, while #Nostr comes from the #Encryptionists and #bitcoin communities. #activertypub, on the other hand, is rooted in the #4opens traditions and the #openweb.
Just posting this because I'm seeing it over and over.
Jack Dorsey isn't on BlueSky. He gave them some money and is on their board but he's spending all his time on Nostr and even logged onto BlueSky for one second yesterday to say so.
@anders Absolutely someone could, and very likely will. When it happens, I hope its bi-directionnal. The one way relays from #nostr to #fediverse, and those from twitter, are not very engaging.
New job opening at Bluesky (part-time; multiple positions available).
“Looking for useful idiots to legitimize us so we can achieve network effects before we screw over our user base.
Right candidate can state ‘I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt’ in public with a straight face in full knowledge that we’re a Silicon Valley outfit backed by the founder of Twitter.
ActivityPub was not invented in 2018, in fact it has a history of multiple protocol iterations since 2008 including OpenMicroBlogging and OStatus.
2010 another company named diaspora raised $200k to create another federated protocol. In 2018 #diaspora peaked at 1 Mio. users with 200 federated servers. Then the core dev decided to ignore #ActivityPub. That was the end.
Lets see how #Bluesky and #Nostr inventing the wheel again.
CON LE SUE RECENTI E DISCUTIBILI SCELTE, MASTODON GGMBH STA UCCIDENDO IL FEDIVERSO? O VUOLE SOLO BLINDARLO DAGLI ATTACCHI ESTERNI? MA ALLORA PERCHÉ STA UMILIANDO LE STESSE ALTRE ISTANZE MASTODON?
Non credo che la gente si renda conto del pericolo in cui si trova il Fediverso.
L'unica cosa che impedisce alle società e ai VC di prendere il controllo di questo posto è che il Fediverse è distribuito su molti server diversi, il che rende molto difficile l'acquisto.
Se la maggior parte del Fediverse finisce su mastodon.social, che ora è una forte possibilità, non ci sarà nulla che impedisca che la maggior parte di esso venga venduta a Musk o Zuckerberg o chiunque altro.
Più grande diventa mastodon.social, più è probabile che si verifichi un buyout.
Ecco cosa controlla ora l'organizzazione Mastodon gGmbH di Eugen Rochko:
-Il software e l'API del server Mastodon (sebbene la versione attuale sia FOSS)
-Il server mastodon.social, che ha 1 su 7 di tutti gli utenti Fediverse
-Le app Mastodon ufficiali, ora dicono alle persone di registrarsi semplicemente su mastodon.social
-Il sito ufficiale su joinmastodon.org
-Il marchio per la parola "mastodon", che consente loro di dettare termini a qualsiasi server che lo utilizza
Questo è un pacchetto allettante per tutti i potenziali acquirenti.
Il marchio da solo conferisce a Mastodon gGmbH un enorme potere, consente loro di dire a qualsiasi server utilizzando la parola "mastodon" nel suo nome di dominio quale software o fork può utilizzare.
Più persone si iscrivono su mastodon.social, più allettante Mastodon gGmbH diventa un obiettivo di acquisizione.
Con tutto ciò in mente, ecco un suggerimento:
➡️SE mastodon.social diventa più del 50% del Fediverse, sia per utenti totali che per utenti attivi mensili, il resto di noi dovrebbe defederarlo.
Attenersi a mastodon.social perché "è lì che sono le persone" non ha senso. La crescita centralizzata causerà semplicemente la replica qui dei problemi di governance che abbiamo visto su Twitter e Facebook.
La crescita deve essere decentralizzata per proteggere l'indipendenza di tutti i server Fedi.
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There's one main thing I like about #BlueSky, #Nostr, #Cwtch, and the in-development P2P-ified #Matrix over #ActivityPub and Matrix as they're generally deployed now: your ID doesn't depend on DNS.
I've not been in the Fediverse very long, but I've already seen people lose their entire social graph because an admin unilaterally took down an instance. When you tie your identity to DNS, you're at the mercy of the domain owner and every point of control over the DNS as a whole, including the court systems in every authoritarian jurisdiction. Not your keys, not your identity.
I like the admins of my instance here, but I see the toll it takes on them running it even with the community's contributions. It's a lot of pressure and a lot of power to have that much control over identity and trust for your users.
I don't think we have to wholesale move to other protocols, though. The beauty of open networks is the freedom to build bridges. When people do migrate between them, it can and should be as smooth as migrating between ActivityPub instances in the happy path, and remain fully interoperable.
so (decentralized?) #bluesky rolled out an iOS app before they added a second server, right after #substack rolled out notes and media companies started talking about leaving Twitter. it exists to serve Twitter and is a delaying tactic against the #fediverse. same with #nostr.
what we're building here is a threat to all entrenched wealth and power. it will remove all unearned influence over our attention. it enables people power like the world has never seen before. they should be afraid.