LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

When people say “host your own server” to me I am going to start telling them to represent themselves in court. We all have different skill sets and the bar for entry should not be being a server admin or mastodon is doomed to fail. There is no meaningful growth as it is . I want to see it succeed but chastising me does not make it so

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@LALegault

but your problem is the reverse. your server is cool but the biggest fedi server is limiting their own users' access to your individual account. they'd do that wherever it was hosted. ultimately we need to break up MS, but having it as a default server is so useful right now. we really just need a new norm for moderation.

but what the mob did to you re Israel criticism, I'd probably never convince people here not to try to censor clearly conservative opinions.

aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@wjmaggos @LALegault What the fuck? Mastodon.social is limiting access to @LALegault? Did I get that right? Any receipts/confirmation on this before I go thermonuclear?

RustyBertrand,
@RustyBertrand@mastodon.social avatar

@aral @wjmaggos @LALegault
I didn't get a screenshot, but yes, she's behind a wall and has to request followers from behind some kind of hidden state.

LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar
aral,
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

@LALegault @wjmaggos Just scrolled through your history and found that. Unbelievable (believable). I’m sick of saying it but one instance should not be that big or have that much power.

LaChasseuse,
@LaChasseuse@mastodon.scot avatar

@aral @wjmaggos @LALegault Maybe it's not her, maybe there is spam coming in via that server? #JustGuessing

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@LaChasseuse @aral @LALegault

I created a MS account to look and it treats her account different than other newsie accounts.

NoBeerToday,
@NoBeerToday@mastodon.world avatar

@aral @wjmaggos @LALegault

Mastodon.Social. Yep, beyond shadow banning, they started to use the nebulous concept of "Holocaust Inversion" to remove posts that are critical of #Israel and/or #Zionism.

It doesn't take a genius to figure-out what's going on at mastodon.social. For that reason, I moved to mastodon.world yesterday.

jonburr,
@jonburr@mastodon.social avatar

@NoBeerToday @aral @wjmaggos @LALegault

I am also considering moving from mastodon.social for similar reasons, so you recommend mastodon.world? can you send any info on it?

NoBeerToday,
@NoBeerToday@mastodon.world avatar

@jonburr @aral @wjmaggos @LALegault

I've only been on mastodon.world for one day. So far it seems OK.

jonburr,
@jonburr@mastodon.social avatar

@NoBeerToday @aral @wjmaggos @LALegault

how did you find it?

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@jonburr @NoBeerToday @aral @LALegault

I once dreamed of making liberal.city into a home for dissidents that weren't assholes. a new fedi norm. all unpopular info and opinions welcome, but no harassment.

NoBeerToday,
@NoBeerToday@mastodon.world avatar

@jonburr @aral @wjmaggos @LALegault

Mastodon.world? OK so far.

ruud,
@ruud@mastodon.world avatar

@NoBeerToday @jonburr @aral @wjmaggos @LALegault We're open to all that can agree with our rules and CoC: https://mastodon.world/about

Let me know if there are any questions, and welcome to our new users!

wjmaggos,
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@ruud @NoBeerToday @jonburr @aral @LALegault

I don't understand how we could discuss world events without violating your 2nd rule.

ruud,
@ruud@mastodon.world avatar

@wjmaggos @NoBeerToday @jonburr @aral @LALegault That rule is about supporting / promoting hate groups / terrorists. Can you explain the issue you see with that rule?

wjmaggos, (edited )
@wjmaggos@liberal.city avatar

@ruud @NoBeerToday @jonburr @aral @LALegault

"No posts or links to content supporting, featuring, or promoting hate groups, terrorism, mass violence or calls to violence."

Most obviously, doesn't discussion about even Sept 11 "feature" mass violence and terrorism? In a more disputed sense, I'd say supporting most US foreign policy is calling for violence. And if you say there's an exception for defense, that depends on how far back in a conflict we start the clock. was Hiroshima terrorism?

ruud,
@ruud@mastodon.world avatar

@wjmaggos @NoBeerToday @jonburr @aral @LALegault Then I think we need to rewrite the rule. I would need to discuss with the team, but what we i.m.o. want to accomplish with the rule is prevent supporting or promoting terrorism etc. Not discussing it.

Discussing 9-11 events is no problem, organizing/planning a new attack on our platform is.

NoBeerToday, (edited )
@NoBeerToday@mastodon.world avatar

@ruud @wjmaggos @jonburr @aral @LALegault

OK, let's keep it simple. If I write: "The State of #Israel is using the same methodologies against the #Palestinians as the then #German #Nazis were using against the #Jews. Hence, the State of Israel is the New #Nazi State". Does such a statement offends against mastodon.world's moderation rules or not?

Ronial,

@NoBeerToday @ruud @wjmaggos @jonburr @aral @LALegault

I just know the #western & #israelis hypocritical politics & medias would qualify you as "antisemitic" (disregarding the fact that if you was you wouldn't care of what the Nazis did to Jews).

LALegault,
@LALegault@newsie.social avatar

@Ronial @NoBeerToday @ruud @wjmaggos @jonburr @aral

Same people that brought us:

ButterflyOfFire,
@ButterflyOfFire@mstdn.fr avatar

@LALegault Hello,
Actually, depending on the meaning of hosting an own server.

MastoHost for example allows anyone to host its own instance when it comes to talk about Mastodon

YunoHost allows anyone to not to host but to selfhost "an own server" whether it is remote or locally managed :)

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