localzuk,
@localzuk@ohai.social avatar

I find it outrageous and incredibly offensive how often subtitles are censored.

I've experienced it on broadcast TV. On Amazon. On YouTube. And elsewhere.

Deaf people do not need swear words hidden. Those of us with hearing loss don't suddenly decide, "Ah, yes, because I can't hear fully, I don't want to experience swearing anymore."

Stop censoring our content!

#Subtitles #ClosedCaption #Censorship

miki,
@miki@dragonscave.space avatar

@localzuk Even worse, these subtitles are then used to train AI models for audio transcription, and those learn to censor swear words too!

jargoggles,

@localzuk
It's really galling how often people with disabilities are infantilized.

lffontenelle,
@lffontenelle@mastodon.social avatar

@localzuk Never noticed this before, but I believe when you say subtitles are being censored. Just adding something about audio: sometimes it's censored too. Once a video from a biologist on YouTube had to jump around not being able to say "moist" (or was it "wet"?). I've seen Hollywood movies removing the voice from a scene to stop at one f-word in the whole movie. Another time the actor dubbed itself so that "you're so full of shit" would become "you're so full of it".

localzuk,
@localzuk@ohai.social avatar

@lffontenelle Oh, sure, I know that. But my point is that in audio that isn't censored, subtitles often are. Happens regularly enough that it annoys a huge number of people.

Bloobz,
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@localzuk It just bring me strange question.

Do swear words exist in sign language?

localzuk,
@localzuk@ohai.social avatar

@Bloobz oh yes, a full and varied array of them.

I think this is ASL - https://www.boredpanda.com/sign-language-insults-cut/

But there's variations for different versions of sign language.

Bloobz,
@Bloobz@mastodon.xyz avatar

@localzuk Thank you. Of course, I should have known that sign language is a language like any else.

It's funny how some of sign presented in the article are very... explicit.

localzuk,
@localzuk@ohai.social avatar

@Bloobz the signs certainly get their point across 🤣

ysotomayor,

@localzuk @bynkii It happens with Audio Description for the blind as well. It is infuriating Just because I am blind, does not mean I need to be sheltered from the content I decide to consume.

bynkii,
@bynkii@mastodon.social avatar

@ysotomayor @localzuk I feel like there needs to be a movement that just says “people with disabilities fuck”

ysotomayor,
lanodan,
@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me avatar

@localzuk I think the only one where it could make sense is like "fbeeping beep" but I'd much prefer putting the actual words and crossing them out (given actual text formatting support, not one of those unicode hacks).

wndlb,
@wndlb@mas.to avatar

@localzuk As someone else generally reliant on subtitles, I can usually figure out, contextually, which [bleeping] word has been excised by those [bleeps]

alcinnz,
@alcinnz@floss.social avatar

@localzuk You know, there was device from the late 1980s or early 1990s which used the closed captions to mute swearwords (during which it'd show the subtitles with a euphemism).

Ironically prudish captions like you're rightly complaining about would break this prudish settop box...

Not that I see any point in this tech, it comes from the same misguided place...

rotopenguin,
@rotopenguin@mastodon.social avatar

@alcinnz @localzuk Tech Connections went over that doodad a while back. There was even a followup where some haxxor extracted the word list (can't remember who, and it's not at the top of the comments)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiXg6H_FycI

alcinnz,
@alcinnz@floss.social avatar
linguacaps,

@localzuk Is this in situations where the audio is not bleeped? If so, that's as offensive as H-E-double-hockey-sticks. 😠

localzuk,
@localzuk@ohai.social avatar

@linguacaps yup. Uncensored audio, censored captions. Happens a lot.

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