@viktor ownCloud didn't exist yet when I first deployed it. I actually met some #Nextcloud devs from Germany and hearing the story of the split from them was what convinced me to migrate. I love their dedication to #opensource.
@vwbusguy oh nice. That was the right move. They recently got acquired by Kiteworks, and now Kiteworks offers a deal to switch to them 😂 saying users will get enhanced security by switching from ownCloud. They don't even believe what they bought is secure. I also recently learned their new OCIS version has EULA, making it source-available not open source 🤦♂️
@viktor We got contacted by our CISO office a month or so ago because they were concerned about some nasty vulnerability in ownCloud and assumed our nextcloud instance would be vulnerable as well, but it wasn't affected. We also showed them the external scanner report for our instance. I'm confident we made the right choice in picking Nextcloud.
@vwbusguy That's good to hear. A lot of people were asking on social media if ownCloud vulnerabilities affected Nextcloud. It sounds like you're using Nextcloud at work? File sharing or full collaboration suite?
@viktor At work, for filesharing and not as much as I'd hoped yet. Everyone hates Box but no one has bandwidth to try to learn an alternative (yet). I'm hopeful that will eventually change and we'll be ready with an environment on standby.
@vwbusguy Makes sense. Is it free community edition you're running at work?
You said "no one has bandwidth to try to learn an alternative" - is there anything Nextcloud can do to make this easier? UI changes, educational resources, etc.
My sole purpose at Nextcloud is to increase adoption in North America, so I'm all ears for any feedback 🙂
@viktor Yes, currently running the free version on AlmaLinux via Caddy and Collabora CODE. I set it up as a proof of concept, so if we actually adopt it, we would almost certainly buy support and run it in a more scalable way (something both of us wish would happen, I'm sure).
Unfortunately, it's probably a matter of Box just being ever so slightly more annoying in some way or raising prices at this point rather than anything nextcloud can do at the moment.
@viktor Spite for a vendor who overpromises and under delivers often provides the motivation necessary for significant platform change, so the best thing Nextcloud can do, IMO, is to largely do as it is already doing by building good faith with customers and open source communities. There's a good reason why you're on our radar in a space with dozens of big name alternatives.
@vwbusguy Thanks for the valuable feedback! I appreciate it. Box was a little short on revenue last year, missing expectations. Wouldn't be surprised if they increased the price to make up.
I'm curious, where do you host stuff at work? AWS, Google, another cloud provider, or local data center?
@vwbusguy That's an interesting setup. I've seen Rancher, but haven't seen Harvester. Does this setup allow for better scaling? Is this also why you chose Caddy?
@viktor Harvester just gave me a place internally to run it. It's currently setup as a POC but not for scale. We would probably re-deploy via the helm chart using an HPA if we got to that point.
We use apache (httpd), nginx, and caddy generally. I've tended to use caddy for the built-in autohttps and simplicity when it's been practical. If we ported to kubernetes, we'd either be using traefik or nginx ingress behind ha_proxy. (My home Nextcloud runs on apache.)
@vwbusguy Nice, I'm 3 years in with Nextcloud on a VPS (Linode, now Akamai) and about to move to on-prem shortly as the storage costs have got too much on the cloud. Looking forward to some Docker and Tailscale fun, and really need to migrate the venerable MythTV to this new box, in its own container too. This is all new to me as previously I have always just spun up a cheap VPS each time I want to try a new service. Containers are a whole new world to me - should be fun!
@andrewj720 I use Nextcloud as a backend for kodi. I created a kodi user and then shared mine and my wife's photos, videos, and music read-only to it and then nextcloud scrapes and serves it all over webdavs from a raspberry pi.
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