What do you think of the term "short king" as a term that's supposed to champion body positivity for men?

Body positivity is such a strange concept to me. There’s efforts to reclaim words while simultaneously calling them bad if used as an insult. Ideally, people wouldn’t be offended by someone describing their body with common descriptors, but socially there is so much value attributed to certain body types that it’s almost impossible to avoid having an emotional response of some kind to various descriptors.

For example, It’s not bad to be fat, but calling someone “fat” is almost universally considered a bad thing. The same definitely seems to go for the idea of being “short.”

I’m asking this question because I can’t put my finger on why but something seems to be different about the use of the term “short” from the use of the term “fat.” I think that part of it is how, to me at least, the term “fat” is so generic and hard to nail down to a discrete definition, implying that the word really doesn’t have a clear connection to reality. On the other hand, height is a single-dimensional number. You either are above a certain threshold, or you aren’t.

I recently learned that May 6th to May 10th is “short king week” because it’s 5’6" to 5’10" which then prompted me to search for the origins of “short king” and apparently the person most-credited with popularizing the term is Jaboukie Young-White who claims the term was meant to include all men under 6 feet tall. The average adult male height is 5’9" leaving men considered roughly average to be called “short” which is still considered an insult by many.

I dunno. As a term that was intended to champion body positivity compared with how the term is actually used, what do you think of “short king?”

13esq, (edited )

It’s not bad to be fat

It objectively is and it’s a terrible comparison to being short.

Being fat is terrible for your health and will limit your chances in love. It’s not politically correct to admit it, but most people simply aren’t attracted to people that are overweight, and whilst appearances shouldn’t matter, they absolutely do.

The difference between being short and being fat is that you can’t control your height. Controlling your weight might not be fun, but you can essentially choose what weight you are.

Bullying is obviously never ok, but if you’re not ok with the idea of being called fat, then you can choose not to consistently over eat for long periods of time.

Inb4: I understand some people have severe health and mental issues that are the primary source of their obesity and I empathise hugely with these people, but most overweight people simply lack will power. Losing weight is like giving up smoking, you can want to do it, but you don’t until you say “enough is enough” and actually mean it.

Corkyskog,

Just call then Ryan

Hadriscus,

In french, “short” is petit, which translates to small -there is no distinction between “small as in short” and “small as in small” other than context. Imho this plays a bit in how it’s perceived : it’s a less specific term than the english “short” while at the same time being linked with general smallness, which has some power connotations.

I think “short king” is trying too hard to reclaim a word, and in the process makes it sound more problematic than it was in the first place.

FriendBesto, (edited )

Who keeps coming up with this bullshit labels? It is like kindergarten.

My advise?

Words only get traction if they are used.

Whether you are short or not, ignore them. Do not use them.

Best way to win at that never ending game is to simply not play.

Cybermonk_Taiji,

It sounds insulting

shasta, (edited )

I’m a relatively short guy at 5’6". My take on this is firstly that I dislike being called “king” because it sounds patronizing, especially by someone who knows nothing about me (that just feels insincere). Secondly, I’m comfortable, even happy, with my height. There have been many times I’ve been glad that I wasn’t taller. It’s kinda funny watching taller folks hitting their heads on things and complaining about cars being too small.

With my shortness being accepted by myself, someone else randomly pointing it out by explicitly calling me a “short king” in an effort to promote body positivity makes me think that in order for them to be recognizing shortness as a potentially negative trait means they likely thought of it as a negative in the past and are now patting themselves on the backs for being “enlightened” and subtly shaming others who still haven’t “evolved” to their level. It feels like less of a compliment and more of a circle jerk.

Also, I don’t feel like shortness needs any championing. Going back to the topic of obesity in the discorse of body positivity, I think it’s a great idea to treat people as people regardless of weight. But I think the implied premise stated by OP is flawed in this regard. I do think being happy with being overweight is different than being happy about being short. There are no apparent benefits to being overweight, since it generally increases risk factors in all kinds of medical issues. With this in mind, body positivity regarding weight should focus on encouraging others to lose weight without shaming them. The same is not true of being short. Besides the impossibility of people making themselves taller even if they wanted to, there’s no negative to a person’s well-being or quality of life because of it.

I can’t remember any time in my life that I’ve ever been called short as an insult either. This post just seems to be attempting to fix a non-issue. In summary, I would rather no one speak the words “short king” at all. Just go with “you’re such a badass” if you wanna give a compliment.

meekah,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

There have been many times I’ve been glad that I wasn’t taller. It’s kinda funny watching taller folks hitting their heads on things and complaining about cars being too small.

6’3" guy here. Every time someone says “wow you’re tall” I say that it’s not that great. 6’ is plenty to reach high shelves and stuff like that I think, but I struggle with leg room in public transport. I think that’s more annoying than needing a ladder once in a while. Also I often feel my hair touching the roof in smaller cars.

dillydogg,

This ain’t short king energy

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

If someone were to call me a “short king,” I would have their name legally changed to “Cellulite Queen” or “The Right High Honorable Sir Shriveldick Pissinbed III” or some other such.

Baahb,

What if I called you a badass tiny motherfucker?

CapeWearingAeroplane,

I definitely roll with “badass tiny mf”, “chill little dude”, “tiny gangsta bro” or any other title making fun of my stature. Call me anything involving “king” and I’ll be inclined to convince you that, even though I’m short, you’ll be shorter once you’re confined to a wheelchair

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Your name is now Baron von Halitosis Drinksfromcarton Esq.

Baahb,

Fair and honest, except the titles. Thank you, tiny badass motherfucker. I accept.

Dkarma,

King / queen is insta cringe

Aggravationstation, (edited )

I don’t remember women being taller than their partners being that big of a deal, until people making fun of it became a meme on the internet.

The short king thing is just another meme on the internet.

forgotmylastusername,

The internet made a whole lot of things a big deal. Then convinced guys they were the victims. Then filled their heads with extremist ideologies. What a wild past 10-15 years.

Aggravationstation,

Yea it seems the internet became like a series of echo chambers rather than the democratic exchange we thought it would be.

Grass, (edited )

I wouldn’t want to be called by any term partly comprised of ‘king’. Just call me short.

Also I keep wanting to read it as shortening and start baking.

Sam_Bass,

short just negates any positivety

FiskFisk33,

if you highlight a feature as “now its positive”, what you’re actually saying “normally it’s negative”

felykiosa, (edited )

I m 164cm and you have to admit that yup it is “negative” (well it s not really it s just that being taller is better) . I like the term short king I think. I m not an english native speaker so no one call me that .that s may be why it don’t bother me.

JokeDeity,

I’m on the tall side of average (tall to some, average to others, short to few), and to me it’s always sounded like it’s mocking short guys, and if I were short I don’t think I’d want to be called that.

big_slap,

as a 5’7 person, I can’t control my height. Therefore, it isn’t something that I should feel bad about. it’s the same way I feel about the color of my skin or any other physical or mental things I have going on that are 100% out of my control. it’s a difficult way to address my shortcomings (pun intended), but once you start just accepting these are things that cant be control, you start feeling better about yourself. I’ve cut out a lot of people in my life that made me feel bad about uncontrollable things, and it’s made me a much better person. I’m still on that journey to improve every day, too; it’ll never stop

I think the trap many people fall into is getting caught up and comparing themselves to other people. I can’t imagine if I woke up every day and compared myself to some of the wealthiest people in the world… I’d get depressed so fast!

as for the term short king, that’s absolutely hilarious to me, I approve of its use lol.

I think that part of it is how, to me at least, the term “fat” is so generic and hard to nail down to a discrete definition, implying that the word really doesn’t have a clear connection to reality.

well, there’s a clear definition as to what is considered to be overweight, and if someone fits that category, it’s up to them to decide how they take it. it’s a lifestyle choice for that person, in my opinion, and I know plenty of people that are happy with their larger size and others that would like to bring their weight down. but comparison will always make someone feel bad about themselves if they dont take the comparison as constructive criticism.

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