gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

is now at peak -industrial capacity, practically zero unemployment, pay hikes because not enough labour force to man the weapons factories. 35% of government spending go to military. 7.1% of GDP. All of it to go up in smoke in

However, if we look at the numbers, this output only matches current EU military spending. Countries which are on avg spending less than 2% on it currently.

Tell me again how Ukraine supported only by Europe can’t possibly win?

fnord99,
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@gimulnautti lack of manpower, lack of ammunition. Recent conscription failed, and NATO lands productive capacity on weapons is nowhere near russia's. It takes huge investments and years, to increase sufficiently.

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@fnord99 There there my little , RU has a history of failing economically when it puts all it’s efforts on weapon production, and that can happen now.

It’s not false RU currently has headway in production, but their military gains even with 5 times advantage have been meager.

The west needs to help Ukraine weather the storm of this summer & winter and keep ramping up production.

Europe does not want an imperial Russia. We will fight it, with or without you.

gimulnautti, (edited )
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@fnord99 Eventually, Russia’s economy will not be able to compete. It’s just too badly managed and too corrupt. For the coming 18 months though, it will likely be stable.

So if that’s too long for you and you’d rather be afraid of big bad russia, go ahead, keep licking boots there. Your choice.

Приятного аппетита!

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3772621/general-says-wests-defense-industrial-base-will-outpace-russias/

fnord99,
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@gimulnautti not a vatnik. I simply state facts.

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@fnord99 Of course you do.

My sources for the 18 months are credible as economists working for major banks.

Also I live next door to Russia, whereas you have the tone of approaching the war in Ukraine as if it was some internal US politics issue, confident that you know more about it than the whole of eastern Europe does.

Russia is working the ropes all the time. And they don’t need propaganda to win.

All they seem need is: ”it’ll cost too much” to win US hearts & minds.

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@fnord99 And let me tell you something about

As much as it’s fun bonkin’ Russia’s overt propaganda, a lot of us are from Eastern Europe and know how Russia operates.

First of all, it’s really good. It just leaves a trail of clumsy propaganda to hide it’s subtle and successfull efforts.

So we do the same, we hide under the cover of cartoon dogs to hide our intimate knowledge.

You are just one of many in this current wave, extolling Russia’s great industrial capacity.

mloxton,
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@gimulnautti

The one's saying it will cost too much, are just repeating Kremlin disinformation.
EU countries and the US are more than happy to make money by churning out weapons. Russia is not known for great manufacturing power - they make their money from shipping energy and raw materials, not finished complex goods

@fnord99

stevehayes,
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@gimulnautti it's at least as much a matter of troops as of weapons. Western nations show no sign of sending theirs into the meat grinder.

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@stevehayes The most significant bottleneck has been 155mm cannon shells and anti-aircraft missile supplies.

Ukraine has been outgunned 5-to-1 where as by manpower it is outnumbered perhaps a little less than 2-to-1. Ukraine has been expanding the drafting age also

With that in mind, it would be wrong to say that in this case it is "as much", or at least has been

Of course, in the long run EU/NATO shouldo be looking into sending at least training facilities & air support. France good on that

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@stevehayes But the rhetoric is changing. Not wanting to get involved is losing ground.

An increasing number of people are wrapping their heads around the problem of letting Russia have even the slightest victory, and what it means for the future security of Europe.

Putin clearly has lost his marbles and there is no hope in unconvincing him he's the emperor and pope of fourth Rome.

anttipeltola,
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@gimulnautti

I don't want to be doomer but PPP (purchasing power parity) adjusted dollar buys a lot more stuff to kill people in Russia than it does in the West.

155 mm artillery shell without luxuries like rocket assist or base bleed now costs around 7,000 USD in open defence market to buy.

gimulnautti,
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green avatar

@anttipeltola Yes it’s easy for an autocratic country that keeps most of the population poor enough to not be able to afford indoor toilets to do that.

It’s especially easy for countries like that to ramp up production quickly, much faster than market economies of welfare states.

This is not news. This is basic knowledge of facts.

Also. Basic knowledge of history shows that autocratic states eventually lose to the higher industrial output of market economies once they catch up.

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