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p, 8 days ago

@amerika @istvan @0 @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @dcc @dj @eriner @viber

> Gab gets more focus than this place because it concentrates an audience.

Gab gets the focus because (1) it contains the currently accepted bogeyman and (2) it is a website and does not require a lengthy explanation about what "federation" means. I think you underestimate the impact of "requires lengthy exposition" on the media's attention, and their utter contempt for their own audience ensures that if they think it is hard to understand, they will not even mention it in a postscript to the story.

p, 8 days ago

@amerika @0 @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @dcc @dj @eriner @istvan @viber Yes, I just named the reasons.

On the other hand, I'm not certain what you mean by "more". Fedi has recently passed 15m users and is getting pretty close to 30k instances: http://demo.fedilist.com/ . 56 new instances yesterday, apparently.

p, 8 days ago

@istvan @PurpCat @amerika @dcc @0 @eriner @viber @dj @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss I think fedi does not work well for "audience"-style stuff. If you just show up and see people doing cool shit and then you talk to them and you ask them about their cool shit then you sorta end up where the cool shit is going down.

p, 7 days ago

@amerika @0 @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @dcc @dj @eriner @istvan @viber

> There's a reason big social is kicking our asses.

By what metric? The people I want to talk to are here. There are more fascinating people here than I can keep up with. I care about that. I cook up a pot of chili, it's because I want to eat a pot of chili, and someone comes through and says "Well, this is too spicy to sell in huge numbers and it takes you too long to make it", the response--provided I don't freeze up trying to figure out why he's talking about sales figures--is that I'm not selling it. The broadcast channel, the "audience", I couldn't give a shit about that even if I had a mountain of cocaine. If I want to broadcast something, I've got blogs.

Your fundamental assumptions are off. Here is a pirated mp3, feel free to say some gamer words, attach a PDF. We can talk here. I don't know exactly when Twitter stopped being useful as a place to talk to people, but that was what I was using it for initially. Friends were there, I'd talk to them, that was fun. It turned into a mall. I don't want to sip an Orange Julius while I check out the sale at Tommy Bahama's, so now I'm here. This place can't turn into a mall. There's no way to control the message. So George Takei wants to posture about politics and a bunch of people suck his dick in replies that he doesn't read: this place is unsuitable for that, so they've gotta block everyone that doesn't play along. The place isn't Twitter, it's not Facebook, it's not like any of those places, and that's a fucking relief: I don't like those places.
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p, 6 days ago

@amerika @SockPuppet @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber

> It's interesting how much the #fediverse is in denial of these things:

I would very much like if you were willing to distinguish between "That is not a concern of mine because it does not interfere with any goal I have." and "I don't think that's real."

> 1. Big Social is bigger for a reason: you can reach audience, share information, and maintain networks. This is what normal people use the internet for.

I am not making a product for them: I am conversing with friends on a federated network. If anything, the Gablin flood proved that this would be a disaster. The normies like using Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and so if I want to address them, I'll go there. I don't want to address them.

I have a mail server, and I have not set up webmail, because everyone that uses that mail server is just fine with IMAP. If you come in and tell me that normies want webmail, and I say that's fine but I do not.

> 2. The Fediverse has failed to attain that status for the same reason FOSS lingers in the dark: they did what they were comfortable doing and went no further.

"If it's not popular, I don't care about it."

Stop trying to YOLD the fedi (it will get you exactly what YOLD got Linux: a bunch of horseshit jammed into an OS that your mom still does not use), but if you're going to, then stop assuming that anyone else has that goal. There's the extremely branding-conscious mastodon.social echo chamber. That is the sort of thing you do if you want to appeal to normies. I'm here, not there, because I don't want to be there: it's not my scene. I like what is here and I would like to improve what is here, not turn it into something else with the hope that it will be enjoyed by people that I don't want to talk to, people that don't show up regardless.

I have typed a variation on that paragraph in nearly every post I have put into this thread. You ignore that and then say "You're all in denial!" We even have a case study: Soapbox. It's the same backend as Pleroma and Akkoma, but no one deploys it aside from people that Gleason has personally persuaded. People outside fedi see "Kirkland Signature Twitter". Trying to appeal to normies creates appeal for no one. Here, here you go: http://meaningness.com/metablog/geeks-mops-sociopaths

> 3. Free speech is a binary. Other than spam and CP, everything has to be included

Well, no argument from me on that point: editorial control over what people can post turns the place into a mall.
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p, 6 days ago

@0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber I mean, maybe it's that "uncool kids smoking behind the cafeteria" thing (I did not read the thread until the part where I got tagged), like...I don't recall going to the punk rock show or the computer lab or this electronics surplus, like...barn (I don't know how else to describe it) in Torrance or Gardena and saying "Wow, I wish the cool kids were here." or "This place really needs more normies. Maybe a Contributor Covenant would make them feel at home."

p, 6 days ago

@amerika @istvan @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @Suzu @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @viber

> Normies are the biggest audience.

:etnashock: [moomfmoomph, blowjob noises]
:reggievision: [sigh]
:etnasad: Is something wrong?
:reggievision: It's just...
:etnasad: "It's just" what?
:reggievision: I don't know if this blowjob would have mass appeal.
:etnawtf: ...The fuck?
:reggiefilsaime: It's just kinda niche.
:etnawtf: It's supposed to be special!
:reggieoops: I'm not sure if I can enjoy a thing that most other people wouldn't enjoy.
:etnamad: I thought I was doing this exactly how you like it.
:reggiefilsaime: How can I even know what I should enjoy unless I know what most people prefer?
:etna2: ...
:reggievision: Would this blowjob be popular with a bunch of boomers that got banned from Facebook?
:etna2: ...I have no fucking clue.
:reggiefilsaime: If they don't want it, I don't want it. Can you go down to the retirement home and--
:etnasrsly: I want a divorce.

p, 5 days ago

@nach @0 @Forestofenchantment @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @Hoss @PurpCat @SockPuppet @Suzu @amerika @dcc @dj @doonxib @eriner @istvan @viber :bigbosssalute: Just doing my part.

p, 5 days ago

@Doll @nach @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @Suzu @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @doonxib @Hoss

:etnashock: [moomfmoomph]
:terrywow: Now, say it.
:etnashiggy: ...What?
:terryshiggy: Say it. Say "blowjob noises."
:etnawtf: Did you just--
:terryyelling: SAY IT OR I CAN'T GET OFF
:etnasrsly: Two divorces in one week. I really gotta pick more carefully.

p, 5 days ago

@Doll @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @Suzu @nach @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @doonxib @Hoss "He"? Man, you're gonna give the poor girl a complex.
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p, 5 days ago

@Doll @amerika @dcc @Forestofenchantment @PurpCat @Suzu @nach @0 @SockPuppet @eriner @istvan @viber @dj @FourOh@pkteerium.xyz @doonxib @Hoss I would not pay that much for a foot, nor underestimate the importance of video games:
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p, 14 days ago

@DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation @NonPlayableClown

> back in the day i asked both Claire and Graf about a Delete everything panic button

Maybe you should have looked under "Settings". I just checked, it's there.

> because they like going true's people private messages

Holy shit, you're retarded. I didn't interact with Claire much (beyond giving her an impromptu survival guide and some suggestions for server setup), but graf doesn't rifle through your DMs.

But even if he did, do you really think that if you delete your account, this magically reaches into the DB backups and removes all of your data from there, too? This is what I was saying about being paranoid about the wrong shit. Your only option is to stop expecting to control information that has left your computer: either don't transmit anything that would be bad for you if it became public, or run your own server and still don't transmit anything that would be bad for you if it became public.
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p, 14 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> so he ​can have your info on his DB despite deleting your sccount.

I'm not even sure what that means. I think I'd know about it if that were the case, because I've seen shit go down and jumped in to help, but graf had already scrubbed the account so I could not get some of the information required to figure out the pattern until the spammer made another account.

p, 13 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> ?si=jF-HMkM8eZoruvdD

This is a youtube tracking token. They have recently started adding it to URLs so that they can trace the spread of links across disparate sites. Your Youtube session (hope you don't have a Google account, or at minimum you have not logged into it) is now associated with everyone that clicked that link, and since the default config for most of these servers is to respect the OGP data and Twitter cards, which means several servers fetched that link, there's possibly a trail back to your fedi account.

At any rate, I recognize the "Petrol Hour" thing, I'm not gonna sit through those tedious retards to figure any of this out: if nobody bothered to write it down, it's probably not important, and I don't want to turn off the music. (Some really good music, man, you can check my Baest/SPW accounts, the "scrobble" (still a really stupid word) data should cover it.)

p, 13 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> Sven's

That guy's a dick.

> when he deleted his account and to find out that his data was still retained.

I don't know what that means. Like, I've seen what happens when you delete an account on Poast, I have admin on that box.

p, 13 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> I've done nothing illegal on my instance.
> But I understand the hesitation.

It's not about things that are illegal now or things that might become illegal in the future, it's feeding Google. Same shit as using Chrome (through which they now feed their analytics engine the "interest groups" data), you don't want to feed them, or if you don't mind feeding Google (why are you worried about graf but completely blase about Eric Schmidt?), there are a lot of people that do not want to feed Google.

p, 13 days ago

@DutchBoomerMan @NonPlayableClown @SarahGation

> like how you pulled up my deleted account earlier ?

FSE and Poast do not run the same code, you idiot.

p, 13 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> Which dude that's way more fucked and you know it.

Nothing Poast could possibly do would be as fucked as Google. My mail server gets inundated with spam from GMail accounts but for a while, Google was silently discarding my email without telling me, because a tiny mail server with a few people on it, none of whom have ever sent any kind of bulk email, is a horrifying spam risk. This has cost me time and money. Poking graf and getting dropped from Poast isn't a big deal: I have lost work because I didn't know GMail was silently dropping my email.

> but Google isn't the only ones,

What's that matter?

> most ISP are taking your meta data and selling it.

I use Tor, I recommend people use Tor. Most of the sites that block Tor are bullshit sites I don't want to use to begin with, people's mileage may vary. Privoxy does a good job of letting you whitelist stuff, send some stuff to Tor and some stuff through the clearnet, it's pretty useful. I just stay on Tor: usually, a site that blocks Tor is not a site I would like to use.
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p, 12 days ago

@phnt @DutchBoomerMan @NonPlayableClown @SarahGation Yeah, I believe that. I haven't seen Bing do anything weird but also have not seen them around for a little while. Unlike Google, Bing and Yandex appear to respect Crawl-Delay. Amazon has, lately, been 99% of my non-fedi traffic on other servers. cgit apparently tarpits them.

The point of the "What's that matter?" remark was that, if I am talking about the new Youtube tracking tokens in the URLs, it doesn't matter that ISPs and other members of the San Francisco Data Cartel are also shitty:

:terryno: Hey! You're wiping your ass with poison ivy!
:toastwat: Lots of other plants are poisonous. Poison ivy isn't even the worst one.
:terrywat: Yeah, but those don't matter as much right now.

p, 12 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> Most email services with the exception of maybe mailchimp and proton do that.

My mail gets through without trouble to almost all servers with the sole exception of the ones that say "aspmx.googlemail.com" when I ask for the MX record.

> if I detect it in the spam folder.

Are you running any MTAs at present? If I send the email, Google's servers for a very long time, flagrantly ignoring SMTP, sends the mail to /dev/null and claims that it has accepted the message. This is a far worse problem than their spam filters fucking up.

> getting defed for only one person getting butt hurt

I think you don't get it. There are some people that try to cause trouble, like for :epstein: whatever reason :epsteinsmug:, the anime.website admin wanted to pick fights over FSE banning someone that wrote "MAP" in his bio and posted naked 12-year-old girls. Easy ban: a self-described pedophile posts nude young girls draped across each other on a bed, FSE didn't even allow loli hentai, so sexualized images of naked children are a very easy call. So the anime.website pedo shouts a while and decries my arrogance and calls me paranoid and says that I am not a lawyer so I don't know what pornography is and that I shouldn't tell pedophiles to kill themselves. Whatever, not going to budge: anyone that tries to upload CP to fedi should be swinging from a branch. (Same person started in again almost every time I banned a pedo.) So then the posting.lolicon.rocks guy decides to pick a fight over the same ban, and it becomes obvious the guy doesn't actually care about anything he's saying, he just wants to stir up drama. Easy to ignore him after that. I didn't regret the decision to ban the guy, I did it again without hesitation, I started posting their IPs and email addresses in the @modfaggotry notes. So if more people try to argue with me about that same ban, what can I infer? They intend to cause problems. Then if someone said, "Hey, this guy blocks people for arguing about that ban, he's clearly butthurt!" and a hundred people decided to start trying to fight about that ban, I'd just get rid of them.

This happened with the Loli Question. Drama retards love that one: you can't ever prove "should" and people set their policies based on what they're willing to deal with. (In FSE's case, there were a few reasons to prohibit it: the DOJ maintains that it's illegal, I don't want to give people an excuse to instance-block, I don't want to give the government an excuse, etc.) It's very easy to determine the difference between someone that wants to talk about it and someone that wants to create drama (e.g., they hear "This is what we do and why, these are my concerns" and they ignore your concerns while continuing to hammer the salacious facets, or they restart the same argument from the beginning as if the previous argument hadn't happened, or especially in FSE's case, they complain to me for prohibiting loli for the "wrong" reasons and they completely ignored instances that explicitly allowed it; I think everyone knows how to tell, at least going by their gut even if they don't try to come up with a rule of thumb). The Loli Question was bot's go-to, she'd say deliberately misleading things to try to get a large number of replies, because having blocked her, she couldn't annoy me directly, but if she just replied to each of my last ten posts with something like "I can't believe you support child pornography!" then people would start replying to her post, and I'd be tagged in their replies. (She didn't create that tactic, but she can engage in :facesofautism2: repetitive behavior :facesofautism2: without getting bored.) But by the nth time the same group of people stirred up the same drama the same way, it wasn't hard to conclude that this was what they were going to do periodically. So, January 2, 2022, I get more notifications in one day than any other person on FSE--the hellthread instance--had ever gotten in one day. Then that record was broken five more times, and the fifth time was January 9, when I received 1,667 notifications in a single 24-hour period (there are only 1,440 minutes in a day) and decided to write the Iron Dome MRF, I tacked a bunch of usernames onto the Strangelove bot auto-responder, I blocked accounts, I instance-blocked accounts, etc.

Nobody has time to deal with a gaggle of assholes that waste your time shit-stirring. It's not a matter of being butthurt, it's that nobody wants to dedicate their life to arguing on the internet with tedious assholes whose goal is not to get anywhere but to use senseless arguments to provoke you, the same people that have been on the same shit once a week for years, and if there are enough people that decide to do that once a week, it becomes a constant stream. Like I said, if I were in graf's position, I'd be smashing the big, red button way more often.

> It's very petty if you ask me to hide your users to an entire instance because of 1 user.

See my other remarks about exactly this happening to me 1,399 times: https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=freespeechextremist.com . And we've gotten that not just because of one user, but because of one user that I banned when I saw what they were doing.

It looks petty to you because you think it's personal. It's only personal from one end: from the other, it's the 50th time this week, and it barely registers to the conscious mind.

> Issues with users for being "mean" should be handled by user settings (aka block) first than the big ol ban hammer.

As stated, yes, absolutely, but that's doesn't reflect the actual case. Either you don't understand the scale and the degree and you think it is just an occasional person being mean, or you are downplaying it. Come on, man, it's not just an occasional person being mean on the internet. When poa.st first arrived and I was talking to graf about database tuning, I was getting messages from people telling me not to trust him, and I was like "Trust him with what? He is a guy running an instance, what's the worst he could do?" and I never got an answer from anyone, so whatever the grudge is, it evidently predates fedi. I'm thoroughly tired of the persistent stream of "Oh, that graf, he's MEAN ON THE INTERNET he's definitely UP TO SOMETHING", so I can only imagine what his notifications would look like if he wasn't using Soapbox and its complete shit notification UI. I don't blame him for shooting first and asking questions never.

> Because any company big or small should not take and sell your data period.

Sure, but as noted in the other post, the one that is relevant now is the one that is in front of us.
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p, 12 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> I have ran some SMTP relays before.

Okay, so you get what I mean: it's not shoveling things into the spambox, it's literally silently discarding mail, so you don't even have a way to know unless someone else figures it out and tells you.

> Then don't talk to them, Jeez. Not a hard thing to do. Literally takes seconds no matter the platform.

Let's say this happens several times a day, and they don't tell you in advance, "I'm here to waste time on drama" so there's no way to know who has questions about how the site works and who is trying to provoke you or waste your time. You might start smashing the red button more often and more carelessly so that talking to your friends is not interrupted so often.

> I mean if no one has given any answers (I find that hard to believe) I can easily can give you my reasons if you really care.

So far, it seems to me that the worst thing he could possibly do is block your instance. If being instance-blocked actually caused a problem, then I'd have had one thousand, three hundred and ninety-nine problems.

If you have anything concrete, feel free. I don't think he can do anything that I cannot do (or any other random person on fedi, for that matter), meaning the potential impact of him turning evil is the same as anyone else, and having known him for a long time, I haven't even picked up a hint of malice from the guy, meaning the likelihood of him turning evil is much lower than I'd assume for most people. If anything, I have excessively triggered public blockbots just to make a point (the point being "Don't add an amplification attack vector to your own instance"), so I'm probably a bigger asshole than he is. He's a friend and I don't foresee problems and if there are problems, I don't think the problems would be worse than from any other friend suddenly turning evil.

p, 12 days ago

@NonPlayableClown @DutchBoomerMan @SarahGation

> This goes from doing 180 to his rules, hypocrisy, doxxing, defamation, and false reporting instances to datacenters.

Okay, so the worst he could do is only as bad as what anyone else could do. This is kind of my point.

> But your friend is no saint.

Find a saint on this network.

p, 19 days ago

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @tk
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p, 18 days ago

@lunarised @nosleep @j You don't have the right keyboard.