Linux_Is_Best, to openSUSE

Seriously. — It is 2023, nearly 2024, and when I say, "mailing list" do you have warm and fuzzy fillings, inspiring you with confidence?

Oh do you imagine "spam" and more "news letters" filling up your inbox?

They really should call it something else.

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Linux_Is_Best,

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You'd presume that URL would be listed under the section titled, "contribute" but it is not.

In fact, doing some digging, you'd have to find that URL on the Wiki, and it is listed as a "mailing list" as opposed to the gateway to contribute.

In an age when most people don't want spam filling up their inbox or more "news letters" that really should be labeled better.

Here is what it is listed:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels

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#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best, to openSUSE

Asking the right questions!

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux #OpenSource

Linux_Is_Best, to random

2 years of manufactured doubt and uncertainty from openSUSE

1st we were surprised to hear that openSUSE Leap was likely to be discontinued. While people waited for this to ultimately happen, they were then led to believe that it may simply change into something else, but nothing was certain. Once more, while they were waiting for the official word, another propal with more uncertainty. And with each new uncertainty, the whisper that contribution was declining

Well, duh, thank the uncertainty

Linux_Is_Best,

Looking over social media...

I am not the only person who feels people were stonewalled. openSUSE called for contributors and claimed they wanted help and those of us who stepped forward, were not received. —It was not just me.

If I had a vote in anything right now it would be a vote of no confidence in the leadership.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Papa,

@Linux_Is_Best While not a party member, I voted by loading Debian. Haven't looked back.

#Debian

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sustainrelease

I am upset, because I am a SUSE user (both openSUSE and SUSE Enterprise). I've been a SUSE user since before they experienced the whole Novel SUSE rebrand, years ago, only to return to SUSE once more.

I do not think SUSE is lacking involvement or users or contributors. I'm someone who attempted to contribute, as did other.

But I digress. I'm upset about this nonsense, because I care.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux #OpenSource

marvinvonpapen, to opensource

Because we talked about that on the last JB Meetup: There is happening a discussion of the successor of openSUSE Leap. openSUSE "slowroll" would be exactly what I'm searching for...
https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/KJMMAZFTP2MPKWKFZCYUROZFJ44BNVB5/

#opensource #opensuse #linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@marvinvonpapen

If they commit to Slowroll, that's fine.

They've made no commitments.

2yrs ago, they implied they were discontinuing openSUSE Leap, only to suggest MicroOS, then APL, now the possibility of Slowroll and Linarite.

That's the problem. They suggested the project was being killed off, then made a bunch of uncertainties alongside it.

So who knows?!

They need to make a commitment and show some leadership. Instead, we have uncertainty.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best, to random

openSUSE needs new leadership.

Stat.

Because whether it is Richard Brown or someone else at the helm, they need to commit to a plan of action.

2 years now, people have been facing uncertainty with openSUSE's future.

The Linux operating system, along with its ecosystem, has grown and thrived with the belief of dependability and certainty. And what uncertainty arise in the grand scheme of things tends to be small, few, and far between

Now, we have SUSE, extended a level of uncertainty 2yrs

Linux_Is_Best,

I don't care if they stick with the normal openSUSE Leap "as is", change over to Linarite, or Slowroll. -- So long as they finally commit to something.

The whole uncertainty and doubtful future for 2 years is nonsense!

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best, (edited )

openSUSE has their own Facebook group and this 1 question keeps getting asked on social media in general:

"Is openSUSE going away?"

The group is public for anyone to see, so I feel no shame in sharing the most recent question of this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/opensuseproject/posts/10163417625454488

This doubt and uncertainty has repeated on Facebook, Threads, Twitter, Reddit, and even here on Mastodon.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

That doubt and uncertainty is not going to encourage people to contribute.

People don't rush to jump into something they fear or suspect is a sinking ship.

This mindset and association has continued for nearly 2 years, and the Linux community as a whole hasn't been given much reinsurance with any solid commitments.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

I cannot stress enough...

You cannot make a statement (whether official or not) concerning your intentions to end a project as they did with openSUSE Leap, then place that project into a continuous state of flux and uncertainty of whether it will be continued or changed, for 2 years.

Of course, people are going to drop life flies and walk away. -- Duh! -- That should be painfully obvious.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best, (edited ) to openSUSE

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openSUSE needs to get their act together

Since 2022 it has been implied multiple times by the openSUSE Development, that openSUSE Leap was being discontinued. Then they said it wasn't being discontinued, but replaced. Once more, they said it wasn't being replaced, simply changed. Now lastly, they're saying it may remain, but either in 1 of 3 forms

Ever watch a TV network kill off a good TV show, because the new executive does not like it, but the fans keep hanging on?

#openSUSE #SUSE

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

Your action are now having a negative impact on SUSE Enterprise Linux, not just openSUSE.

If you don't think business keeps an eye on the development, knowing fully well that things move down the pipe, you're wrong

Today, I found out a company I have business dealing with is considering their options. They don't know what the long-term future could be with SUSE Enterprise, because the upstream seems to be in the air

2 years of this nonsense is having an ill effect

#SUSE #openSUSE

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

Approve them.

You've been called out before on social media (Reddit), where people have come forward with work that was never added.

I don't doubt facts. I doubt you and what you say is true, based on what everyone has been seeing.

2 years of playing games on what you may or may not do with openSUSE. That's a fact.

The Linux Ecosystem thrives on accountability, reliability, and certainty. Something, openSUSE is now currently lacking, after 2 years of this

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

I wasn't even talking about Kalpa.

Richard Brown, Former Chairman-Mgmt Board/CEO, Opensuse

Is telling me he has no sway in openSUSE. - That's cute. - I suppose we should update your business profile with Bloom Berg.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/21206408

You're still dancing around the fact that for 2 years now, the game plan has been up in the air with nothing but uncertainty.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

Yet, it is your blog post, video interviews, and social media post addressing the issue surrounding openSUSE.

For someone who isn't in the fix of things, you seem awfully invested in trying to project an image of uncertainty and PR to promote that uncertainty.

2 years now and still going....

If you're not running things, step aside so whoever is can connect with the Linux community.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best, (edited )

@sysrich

I don't think places such as:

It's FOSS https://news.itsfoss.com/opensuse-leap-replacement/

ZD Net https://www.zdnet.com/article/opensuse-seeks-a-leap-replacement-but-will-distro-community-rise-to-the-challenge/

And other tech outlets, big and small, just randomly drops your name for the Lulz.

2 years now of this nonsense

I doubt the whole of SUSE is suffering from mass incompetence. And if they were, I supposed the reason business is starting to be concern, would be justified. Given that alternative, personally, I'd like to believe, at the moment, there is just poor leadership somewhere

#SUSE

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

2 years ago, the community spoke up (or tried to).

As I said, approve them.

You've got people who have submitted work that is ignored.

In the past, occasionally, you announce online meetings you claim anyone can attend, but that wasn't exactly true.

2 years of this nonsense. 2 years of, "well we may do this" or "well we may do that" or "something else."

Pick a game plan and stick to it. And if you claim you want involvement, accept it.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

I just told you the work has been done and you're still

  1. Ignoring what I said

  2. Not addressing the issue of the continued uncertainty.

We're done here.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

That's a lovely story, you'd like to paint. -- But people, like myself, were not just reaching out into the void on social media.

You claim no one or few if anyone cares about openSUSE Leap, and that certainly was not true. It was more than just end-users (or fans) who tried to voice themselves and reach out (myself, included).

2 years of this nonsense and you still do not know what you may or may not do with openSUSE.

#openSUSE #SUSE

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

You can shut me down, right now, and just say, you have a game plan that you're committed to, and outline that game plan.

Right now.

But do you? Nope.

2 years of uncertainty and anytime someone speaks up, you deny knowing any better, and claim you're all alone with no help.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

As far as I am concerned, my username was my e-mail address. That's what I have saved in Bitwarden.

But you're still on the attack and still ignoring the issues.

2 years of this, "well, we may end things" or "well, we may do that" and "well, today, we may do this instead."

That was the whole subject-matter of my thread, and you're still avoiding it.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

I'm addressing the person who keeps coming out of the woodwork about openSUSE (Leap) and its supposed woes.

You think I and others should be addressing another person, drop a name.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@sysrich

As I said, I will not be sharing my log-in details on social media

You've got no creditability since you continue to ignore and deflect.

Enjoy the block. We're done.

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@uncomfyhalomacro
I'd gladly prove you wrong, except at the moment, all my log-ins all over the openSUSE website are telling me something similar to this.

I thought this error is particularly interesting since it reads:

"Login to a profile is not available for employees yet"

At the moment, I cannot even log into the Wiki, much less to contribute code anywhere.

I upset someone, did I? 😂

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

Linux_Is_Best,

@uncomfyhalomacro

FYI, just for clarification, I do not remember being an employee of openSUSE. -- So that notice is particularly interesting.

I presume someone locked me out in a hurry. 🤣

#openSUSE #SUSE #Linux

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