hark,

I thought macron was floating the idea of committing French troops in Ukraine a while ago, what happened to that stance? All bark and no bite or does he just love the olympics more than Ukraine?

jeffw, (edited )

In his defense, the Olympics are supposed to be a time where mature people set aside geopolitical tensions and just have fun competing for a few weeks. But this is Putin we’re talking about

egonallanon,

I thought the Olympics was a time when we see if the country that paid the biggest bribe to the IoC can put on a show?

ProfessorProteus, (edited )
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly. That POS has been given more chances to not genocide his neighbors than you or I get when using an incorrect PIN to access our own money.

Fuck putin and fuck the russian government.

Also while we’re at it, fuck the IOC. The sports themselves are cool though.

Hadriscus,

good lord my president is dumb as fuck

jeffw,

I hope you’re French and not Ukrainian?

Hadriscus,

ye ye

echodot,

At one point wasn’t Macron going on about practically starting World War III? He was definitely all for it a couple of months back.

Not that I’m complaining or anything.

Hadriscus,

He said “in any case I’m gonna to have to send men to Odessa” on feb 21st.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Correct.

jeffw,

I wasn’t asking you lol

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Either way, you were correct.

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Ah Lemmy, where even agreement is a point of contention. I truly am home. ☺️

cygon,

Typical past ceasefires or truces with Russia:

  • +0 Hours: Shelling stops on both sides, occasional gunfire erupts in places.
  • +1 Hours: Russians rush supplies to their troops.
  • +3 Hours: Russians violate truce and try to gain as much ground as possible in a surprise attack.

.

Fool me once…

ghostdoggtv,

I support Zelenskyy’s position here. Russia doesn’t deserve peace.

Burn_The_Right,

Fucking good. What a hero. We need Zelenskyy to help run the U.S. when he is done kicking Puta’s ass.

jeffw,

Uh wut?

Burn_The_Right,

I said FUCKING GOOD. WHAT A HERO. WE NEED ZELENSKYY TO HELP RUN THE U.S. WHEN HE IS DONE KICKING PUTA’S ASS.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONSERVATIVE FASCISM PROBLEM HERE AND HE IS GOOD AT KICKING CONSERVATIVE FASCISTS’ ASSES.

WHY ARE WE YELLING?

Donut,

Remember that reddit bot that would repeat the parent comment in all caps when someone said “what?” or a variety thereof? Good times.

Burn_The_Right,

Yes! My favorite bot!

Moonrise2473,

Should ask to the dictator that’s attacking…

BombOmOm,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Good. The time to stop is when Russia leaves Ukraine.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

How many Ukrainians are going to die before that happens?

Michal,

A lot, but Putin doesn’t care

Vikthor,

Less than how many would die by the rampaging horde if Ukraine gave up. Judging by what happend in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol or elsewhere.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

That was during the war.

Playing rocket tag with the Russians for another three years will create more Mariupols.

5in1k,

“Just give in and marry the rapist that’s breaking into your house “

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

More doing Hatfields and McCoys shit for another three years, because you can’t decide on the property line.

Wrench, (edited )

You understand that this isn’t a feud perpetuated by both sides. This is one side desperately trying to fend off an unprovoked invader.

I did not phrase that as a question, because I know you know this.

But just in case, I’ll say something I’m pretty sure you understand as well.

Cyka blyat

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

You understand that this isn’t a feud perpetuated by both sides.

There’s been a civil war tearing apart the Donbas since 2014.

I’ll spot you this, the comparison to the USSR in Afghanistan isn’t that far off. America is trying to do a second Operation Cyclone by standing up a hollowed out government and fundamentalist militia with enormous volumes of foreign military aid. The only difference is that its not 1979 anymore and we’re not simply unloading all our Vietnam era surplus onto some useful suckers.

Even in what is supposed to be an asymmetrical guerrilla war, westerners have somehow managed to make Ukraine more expensive for the western intelligence services than eastern traditional military.

Cyka blyat

Inshallah

Maalus,

Russia giving up would solve everything tho, so let’s do that instead

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

We could have done that but decided to give Ukraine second hand garbage to fight with.

echodot,

Oh so is this where you’re going to tell us about the mind control Ray or something? How are we ever going to make Russia give up? Presumably if we have that power we should just do it now.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

How would we have done that, US+Europe+others join the war?

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

When it came to israel we managed to pull a gazillion weapons out of thin air. And created special teams to rush weapons shipments to a country committing Genocide instead of one being invaded.

Or bypassing congress, doing secret arms sales, any of the plethora of ways that we use to support israel committing Genocide could have been used to help Ukraine win.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Gotcha.

I guess a difference there is that Israel was paying money. So that has been urgent partly so some people could make a shitton of money.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Israel was loaning money which Genocide Joe made sure to refund them in full afterwards.

Now that Biden gifted israel $26Billion the entire “israel is paying for it” argument doesn’t hold up much

Vikthor,

Moskals can’t afford to wage the war for three more years.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

We get the “Russia will go bankrupt any minute now” line from the NAFO heads every six months.

It’s the same bullshit we got fed during Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea.

Vikthor,

Yes, but there USA were fighting the locals. Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.

One reason Russia took over Crimea so easily was due to the high Russian-national identifying residents. Same with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. East Ukraine had an enormous Russia-aligned population, which drove the split that provoked the 2014 civil war and ended in the invasion.

And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.

The USSR went down to perestroika. Gorbachev’s reform and opening of markets invited record rates of corruption and graft, leading to the oligarchs that installed Yeltsin and Putin a decade later. The Russian military was just about the only institution that survived the hollowing out of the national economy and the dissolution of the old republican system of governance.

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