kkarhan, 9 months ago

@neurovagrant Because #Microsoft patented #NTFS and thus #Linux can't officially support it.

You can thank the assholes that patented it for that.

Also unless you #root your android and build a custom #Kernel with #FUSE support you can't use ntfs-3g.

Consider using #btrfs or #ext4 instead.

cyclops, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant Can't you use exFat too? I've found that to be pretty universal. Though I like ext4, it isn't supported well outside of Linux. Unless you're not talking about formatting a storage card?

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@cyclops @neurovagrant #ExFAT is also #patented and may not be supported either.

A lot of #fileManagers on #Android support connecting to an #SMB / #CIFS / #Samba share from a #NAS or #SFTP / #SSH to a server...

cyclops, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant Oh, yeah they do. I miss that when I had Android, not really that well for iOS at least not to the same capabilities. But, no, I just checked and most Android does support ExFAT. Only reason I bring it up is that without additional drivers, I don't believe Windows supports reading an EXT4 file system.

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@cyclops @neurovagrant Who doesn't use #WSL?

That's added with few clicks in the Features Tab...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111049181731669048

Also those #Android ROMs that do support #ExFAT have it spechally #licensed for them - that's not a default feature so one cannot assume it's there...

In fact #Microsoft really loves #racketeering and #rentseeking #Android Device Manufacturers...

cyclops, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant That's good to know! I didn't know that.

jonathankoren, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant isn’t the patent expired by now? It’s been 30+ years, and patents only last 17.

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@jonathankoren @neurovagrant Yeah but it's also covered by #Copyright and #Licensing which is why #NTFS has only been implemented as #FUSE module and not in-Kernel...

Similar to how #OpenZFS does a loadable module...

jonathankoren, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant

Linux has supported read/write NTFS in the kernel since 5.15.

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@jonathankoren @neurovagrant Really?
Okay, thx for correcting me.

Tho just because it is supported in the mainline #Linux #Kernel doesn't mean it's compiled into the one used for said #Android...

Cuz I've not seen any shipped vendor-ROM that does...

But then again I could be wrong here too...

jonathankoren, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant that’s what Wikipedia says.

I doubt off the shelf android has support for any file system beyond whatever is native to the phone. There’s just no need.

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@jonathankoren @neurovagrant Yeah, and AFAICT they mostly support #btrfs, #ext2 / #ext3 / #ext4, #FAT32 and maybe #ExFAT in some cases where the vendor paid $$ per device to #Microsoft.

Mainline #Linux ≠ #Android #toybox / #linux!
As I've gutted most out of the kernel for #OS1337 myself...

jamesrylandmiller, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant when was #NTFS patented? It should only get 15-20 years of patent protection…

roman78, 9 months ago

@jamesrylandmiller @kkarhan @neurovagrant 1993. It was introduced by Windows NT 3.1.

kkarhan, 9 months ago

@roman78 @jamesrylandmiller @neurovagrant doesn't change the fact that it's also copyrighted and even then I've yet to see any #Android - #ROM that didn't remove it from it's #Kernel...

After all it's unlikely a need for users similar to how most Desktop users don't need #LTFS because even if they knew what #LTO #TapeDrive|s are they are even less likely to own one...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111049300825272471

KorayKaratay, 9 months ago

@kkarhan @neurovagrant Here’s a nice joke. Do you know why it took so long for Microsoft to switch to NTFS? Because their filesystem was so FAT. XOXOX

neurovagrant, 9 months ago

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kkarhan, 9 months ago

@neurovagrant you're welcome...

AFAIK even "modern" #Windows Versions can handle #ext4 and #btrfs with the "Linux Subsystem for Windows" [correct name since it's Linux on Windows!]

neurovagrant, 9 months ago

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kkarhan, 9 months ago

@neurovagrant same...

I did the ardurous process of migrating all my stuff from #NTFS to #LUKS-encrypted #ext4 on all drives and it just works so flawlessly on every Linux machine...

In fact, there are even Apps for those, but they can only deal file containers, not encrypted drives...
https://f-droid.org/de/packages/com.sovworks.edslite/

But to shove just media around, #ext4 will work just fine...

inventor, 8 months ago

@neurovagrant If only microsoft open sourced it...

Tekchip, 9 months ago

@neurovagrant https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.tcplugins_ntfs_ro&hl=en_US&gl=US&pli=1 Maybe this will help?

neurovagrant, 9 months ago

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Tekchip, 9 months ago

@neurovagrant patents are the gift that keep on giving. Having said that I also just ran across this. https://www.androidpolice.com/pixel-android-13-exfat-support-history/ So it looks like exFat is probably the way to go.