gcluley,
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Great news! Amazon has got back to me about the £700 iPhone they failed to deliver (and wouldn't refund or replace) Bad news: what they told me...

Based on this experience, why would anyone buy anything expensive from Amazon ever again? Please share, like and comment if you agree.

Watch my #video.

#amazon #delivery #scam #jeffbezos #cybersecurity

Cybersecurity expert Graham Cluley ordered an iPhone 15 from Amazon for £700. Amazon failed to deliver it to him... but also refuse to refund Graham or send him a replacement. You can probably guess how that makes him feel...

ModelMakerVille,

@gcluley

I would never spend more than £100 on a smart phone anywhere.

Recently bought one for £70 to replace an 8 year old one.
Does the job more than satisfactorily.

Generally I avoid Amazon, I did buy a cheap case for the new mobile there.

gcluley,
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@ModelMakerVille I'm curious. Which smart phone did you get?

bazcurtis,
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@gcluley We’ve had things delivered in the past (not necessarily Amazon) that have not arrived. It even has a photo of it being delivered.

Trouble is, the photo is not our house. We don’t have a welcome mat at our house. Luckily, it is normally at the same number house around the corner.

Last week’s photo was of next doors garden as they courier had thrown it over the fence!

bigpawedbear,
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gcluley,
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@bigpawedbear Thanks - it's advice that is always worth sharing.

I could take Amazon to the small claims court, or I could initiate a card chargeback. So, there definitely are steps I could take.

But Amazon customers shouldn't be treated like this. Most of us cannot afford to lose £700, even if it were only a temporary loss. Amazon needs to stop claiming products are delivered ("Handed to resident" - what poppycock!) when they haven't been.

michael,
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@gcluley i believe the guardian (and maybe others) reported on this sort of problem a while ago.

They quotes several lawyers that made it clear that amazon was acting illegally here.

But of course you’d have to sue them, and they can afford better lawyers…

Best options are Section 75 claim (if paid by credit card), which you’d be almost guaranteed to win. Second best: chargeback, which you’d still be likely to win. If the bank refuses initially, raise a complaint and take it to the Financial Ombudsman if needed (but the ombudsman has a several months long backlog). Final option is Small Claims.

Problem is that Amazon will close your account when you do any of that, so you’ll have to do without Amazon from then onwards

gcluley,
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@michael If Amazon was to permanently ban me (from not only their shop, but other services too) then that would certainly be inconvenient.

And, of course, utterly unreasonable - as this is entirely a problem of their own making,

Maybe it would spur me to make another video though!

artemesia,
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@gcluley

In my (USian) experience, when amacrap false delivers 5 days must elapse before they go out of "talk to the hand" denial mode. I have gotten refunds on two false deliveries, though admittedly both were well under $100. And that was before the past year of amacrap enshittification.

gcluley,
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@artemesia Yes, they made me wait two days before accepting a complaint... then they said they would investigate (which they said would take a further three days)

However, they didn't take that long to tell me that I was completely and utterly in the wrong and that I definitely had received the delivery from intact.

Err... no I didn't!

kev,
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@gcluley This is a known scam where someone in the delivery chain knows it’s an expensive item because it requires a signature, or verification code, so it’s scanned as delivered, then goes into some scumbags pocket.

gcluley,
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@kev I hate to think that that might have been what happened... but it might have been what happened.

But surely Amazon knows that this kind of thing happens, and should consider that possibility rather than assuming I'm a fraduster.

I'm lovely, by the way. In case anyone is wondering. I don't try to defraud Amazon (or any other ghastly mega companies for that matter)

kev,
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@gcluley Agreed. Especially since Amazon have the reputation of really good customer service, they should be giving you the benefit of the doubt really.

Maybe they asked Carole for a character reference. If so, you’re screwed. 😂

Joking aside, I hope you get it sorted.

TonyJWells,
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@gcluley
I can't recall who the couriers were, but I've had tracking showing delivered to my address when it wasn't, then delivered 1 or 2 days later, I assume to hit 'targets'. Also had parcels go awol.

Wherever possible, I now use lockers or click-and-collect in stores, so there's no debate about about getting the package.

The £300ish phone I bought direct from Xiaomi had to be signed for I had to show my licence, and he took a photo of me and my door.

elpolacodesplegado,
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@TonyJWells
I've had empty locker boxes before.
@gcluley

TonyJWells,
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@elpolacodesplegado @gcluley

I considered that, but thought it less a risk than a parcel left outside my door. Also, the lockers have cameras, and if it's signed for, it usually can't be delivered there anyway. There was one time the petrol station shop burned down and they put a huge fence around everything, including the unharmed locker with lots of peoples parcels in!

gcluley,
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@TonyJWells @elpolacodesplegado

Crikey - a fenced-off locker! It's like a denial-of-service attack.

swade2569,

@gcluley That's a damn shame Graham - you deserve justice and I hope you get it!

gcluley,
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@swade2569 Fingers crossed!

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