ErikJonker, Dutch
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For those of you who are interested in statistics, this is a five-sigma event. So it's five standard deviations beyond the mean. Which means that if nothing had changed, we'd expect to see a winter like this about once every 7.5 million years."It's gobsmacking."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-24/antarctic-sea-ice-levels-nosedive-five-sigma-event/102635204?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web
#climate

ufuk,

@ErikJonker
@olivierlacan While I accept this is terrible news, I have some problems with how this is contextualized.

The standard deviation is only meaningful against a mean, and the mean we are using is Antractic sea ice extent 1991-2020 mean, so only ~30 years of data. It would be silly to extrapolate from that and say things like a "7.5 million year event" since we don't know how often this has (or hasn't) already occurred.

bakuninboys,
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@ErikJonker Apropos https://www.currentaffairs.org/2023/07/climate-optimism-is-dangerous-and-irrational The reason why it's 5 sigma and not something more reasonable.

hu_logic,

@ErikJonker Yeah, but it snowed in New York last year so Global Warming is obviously a hoax

/s

fl0_id,
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@ErikJonker is there a good explanation of this somewhere? I searched for it but the explanation on quota for example said it would not be a good explanation of extreme events. https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-mean-when-something-is-described-as-a-six-sigma-event

TanAn,

@ErikJonker The technical term seems to be "gobsmacking". My mathematician husband looked up from his morning coffee when I read him the article with that cross eyed look which denotes he's solving a tricky equation. Five sigma events don't happen until they do.

TransitBiker,
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@ErikJonker it’s like I’m seeing all of those climate disaster movie newspaper headlines -now-.

petealexharris,
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@ErikJonker
"leaving scientists baffled" Shocked and horrified I bet, baffled I doubt.

It's a weird journalistic quirk that only scientists are ever described as "baffled," when they have the most detailed and nuanced understanding of a problem but won't commit to a prediction.

Whereas pundits pulling opinions out of their arses and being factually wrong about nearly everything from one news cycle to the next are never "baffled" at all.

zeolith,
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@ErikJonker

For some reason speaking in sigmas for that kind of reporting/numbers is way more effective (for me at least) that speaking in actual probability numbers.

Because 5 sigmas is something you never see in statistic lectures and science (also because the 95% confidence intervals are two sigmas I guess? I gives another darker perspective and really convey that the distribution is changing).

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