I think at this point it's worth thinking about why we need text chats and voice/video calls integrated with each other like what #XMPP (try to), #Matrix, and #Discord do
Why not just go back to #IRC or something like #AIM for text, and something like #Skype for calls like the old days :sagume_think:
I'm pretty sure that person hates it being a proprietary shit too. The point is, you are forced to use it if you need to talk to someone who you cannot to use subpar foss alternatives.
The other issue is we don't have basically anything decent (and not proprietart) to fallback to for separating them, since:
For text IRC is too barebones, XMPP has it's own problems, Matrix is unreliable, and Delta chat is hacky.
For voice we have Mumble, but it requires hosting it since it is mot designed for using it for public server but having private spaces in it.
@lispi314@mima As far as I know, Mumble doesn't support any e2e encryption for so you need to really trust server admin, where point of XMPP/Matrix likes is that you either can selfhost yourself only, or not self host at all and still get some level of privacy via encryption.
Still, yeah, it may be okay if you can set it up for your friend group. For text, I am not sure what I can use even for people I can put through spme inconviniences.
File exchange in #XMPP nowadays is either HTTP upload (covered by #OMEMO) or #jingle file transfer, which should be e2e encrypted, too, but I'm not sure about it.
@debacle@lispi314@mima@untsuki to be more clear, it is indeed "always encrypted", but with the fingerprint in clear and forgeable, MITM attack is doable relatively easily. if OMEMO:2 with SCE or Daniel's hack is used, it should be fine, but not all clients are implementing them.
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