veronica,
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Is there anyone on here that has a recommendation for NVIDIA graphics cards? I haven't used them for a very long time, only AMD, so not really up to date on them.

I need it to run fine on Linux, which I hope has improved now. I will use it for not very demanding games like WoW, and for Machine Learning. I currently have an AMD Radeon RX 5700 GPU.

I was considering a Dual GeForce RTX 4070 OC, since it would fit in my box. I can't have any of the super long ones.

veronica,
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Well, got the card today, and it seems to be working out of the box on Debian 12, and running WoW at maximum settings without breaking a sweat.

I'll call that a success! 😁

vonxylofon,
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@veronica IDK, I've heard NVIDIA is still somewhat problematic, and https://www.phoronix.com/review/nvidia-rtx-40-super-linux/2 from January indicates fun with drivers is indeed still to be had... I presume you're getting NVIDIA because of ML?

veronica,
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@vonxylofon Yes, that's why I want NVIDIA. Otherwise I'd just upgrade to another AMD card.

scottmichaud,
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@veronica AFAIK NVIDIA was kind-of the better GPU vendor, if you use the proprietary driver and the features that the proprietary driver considers first class.

Are you reference to ex: Wayland support/Optimus support/etc.?

veronica,
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@scottmichaud Wayland, yes. AMD has had far better support on Linux over the years, but I was hoping it had improved now.

scottmichaud,
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@veronica That's the opposite of what I've heard from the gamedev and Linux gaming spheres.

ex: https://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html (NVIDIA is A)

veronica,
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@scottmichaud I have no idea what is best supported with games. I'm talking about system and driver support.

scottmichaud,
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@veronica So... while there's some famous examples (Linus' NVIDIA hand gesture) about ex: Optimus, the driver quality in general I've seen has been NVIDIA > the rest (except when they chose to not care, like Wayland and Optimus and OpenCL 2).

As for specific cards... they're all kinda priced whacky these days. I run a 4070 and it's neat, although the Super launch messed with the price/perf ratio.

scottmichaud,
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@veronica Talking with @Venn he seems to recommend the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB over the 4070, assuming your workload is more heavily skewed to VRAM usage than performance.

veronica,
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@scottmichaud There was a discount on the 4070, so it's the same price as the 4060. I'll give it a try. I also need Vulkan for the Linux gaming, but the Debian page says the repo driver has Vulkan 1.2 support. If not, I'll get a newer driver off the website.

scottmichaud,
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@veronica Cool. It's a bit less VRAM but if 12GB works for your ML tasks then it should be faster.

veronica,
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@scottmichaud It's 50% more than the AMD card I have, which performed reasonably well for my DVD upscale project. See https://berglyd.net/blog/2023/08/upscaling-startrek-ds9/

I got my hands on the TopazLabs Linux beta, and that doesn't run on AMD.

I also wouldn't mind the better performance for games, so it should help there too.

SuitedUpDev,
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@veronica I've gotta say, I daily drove my GTX 960 until a few months ago and my god, the sheer amount of issues I had with Wayland.

Graphically glitches, I had issues where opening Chrome and moving it from screen 1 to 2 made Wayland crash. I've had issues where Gnome would completely freeze if I dared to play a video through VDPAU...

But supposedly NVIDIA updated their proprietary drivers to include better support for Wayland, but I can't verify that because I gave up on NVIDIA under Linux.

veronica,
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@SuitedUpDev Yeah, there's a reason why I've been using AMD cards for a decade. Switching away from Linux is not an option. I have enough aggravation with using Windows at work.

I remember multi-screens being a problem with NVIDIA. I recently switched to a double wide single screen setup though, so at least that won't be a problem.

SuitedUpDev,
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@veronica yeah, for me the quality of the drivers and sheer stubbornness of NVIDIA with their own API's for certain tasks (VDPAU instead of VA-API, EGL streams instead of GBM, just to name 2 examples) are for me the primary reasons to not go with Nvidia for another upgrade cycle.

veronica,
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@SuitedUpDev Seems the 525 driver should work if I read the list correctly for Debian 12. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

I ordered a card, and will test it. I have 14 days to return it if it doesn't work.

SuitedUpDev,
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@veronica Oeh let me know how the testing goes! I'm quite curious actually.

I don't know if you know but, video acceleration for browser is something you can forget with NVIDIA unfortunately :sadness:

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