juergen_hubert,
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You've read the tales, now get the books!

#Germany #folktale #folklore #book
https://sunkencastles.com/the-books/

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert "Best practices in ectoplasmic waste disposal" had my attention!

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim It's an important subject!

I mean, you certainly wouldn't want all those sulking ghosts to hang around your house, now would you?

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert Absolutely not! The guardian spirit in the main pillar of the Malay house will not tolerate other sulking spirits. Then there's the Saka that has been handed down through generations of women in the family -- don't think that one will agree with other ghostly interlopers.

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim In German folklore, one spirit in the house is usually considered one spirit too many.

Unless they are willing to do chores, of course.

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert You've come to the right place if you're looking for spirits who will toil in your stead. There's Hantu Raya (the Great Ghost) will assume your appearance and all the manual labour you need to do. There's the Tiang Seri spirit (the guardian spirit of in the main house pillar) - there to thwart thieves and other unwelcome intruders to your home. A dishonest person might have a Toyol (a child's spirit) that will commit petty theft. A Saka can be a valuable bodyguard.

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim In German folklore, household spirits will often work for free - and will leave when they are giving clothes as payment.

This is even true when they take on the appearance of three naked maidens working in the basement...

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert Well, that's much easier than the weekly blood donations to Hantu Raya, Saka and Toyol. The Tiang Seri spirit also needs a good offering of frankincense smoke every Thursday evening. And they will never ever leave. If you fail to attend to their needs they will turn on you and potentially, the rest of the family too. Especially, the Saka, 'tis a fine line between protection and stalking.

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert Apparently, you can dismiss spirits plaguing your household with this charm.

Jangan ’kau tuntut dawa’ pada tempat ini! (Seek no reward from this place)

Undor-lah angkau pergi pada tempat yang lain; (Withdraw elsewhere)

Karna sudah chukup ’ku bagi pada angkau! ( I have given thee enough)

Kalau angkau ta’ undor,[643] (If you do not withdraw)

Derhaka angkau pada Nabi Allah Suleiman! (You disobey Prophet Solomon)

Aku-lah anak chuchu Nabi Suleiman, (I am Solomon's descendant)

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert This charm and many more come from the long out-of-print

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim Gutenberg.org has it!

Still, I hope there are some locals who research this subject as well.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/47873

Ellirahim,
@Ellirahim@ohai.social avatar

@juergen_hubert I sure hope there are in these times where so many Malays don't like digging the less Muslim aspects of their past for fear of shaking or corroding their current faith.

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim In Germany, the conversion to Christianity came a lot earlier - but you can still see the traces of pre-Christian practices if you pay attention.

Ellirahim,
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@juergen_hubert It is amazingly interesting to find the traces of pre-<insert current dominant faith> of all cultures in the local folklore. These ancient stories are part of the pageant of tales on this pale blue dot - they too deserve to be remembered.

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim Germany was very lucky that a lot of these tales were recorded before the cultural context for telling them went away.

I don't know if there is still active storytelling like this in Malay culture - but if it is, I hope that people are recording it.

Ellirahim,
@Ellirahim@ohai.social avatar

@juergen_hubert There are small groups of striving to document these ancient narratives. Interestingly, they are not Malays but they are fluent Malay speakers from other Malaysian ethnicities. I like the work they do to capture and preserve the forms and presentation of the myths and legends from the olden days. https://www.pusaka.org/

juergen_hubert,
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@Ellirahim In German folklore, unspecified Bible verses were often used.

Though using an enchanted whip was not out of the question. Once the spirit had been subdued, it was put into a sack and other container, and then transported to a remote spot in the countryside - or, in extreme cases, dumped into a nearby Hellmouth.

Ellirahim, (edited )
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@juergen_hubert Ooh whipping the spirit into submission! Interesting. This seems absent from modern-day practice here. Capturing such spirits into glass containers then throwing them into a river or the ocean is still a thing. As such, many Malays are not fond of beachcombing or messages in bottles. The exorcist charms in practice today use verses from the Quran - carried out by people with religious credentials and marketed as "Religious Healing". https://data.alhudamedia.com/Resources/Duain/Al-Ruqya%20Al-Shariah%20for%20protection%20against%20jinn%20possession.pdf

zhinxy,

@juergen_hubert just got the ebooks of both volumes!

juergen_hubert,
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@zhinxy Thanks, and please tell me which tales you liked best! 😉

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